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14 Nov 2015 12:46 |
Hi, I'm trying to trace Isabella Hopper, born about 1874 probably in Co. Durham or Northumberland, died after 1953. As far as I know she was unmarried and owned or part owned a sweet factory in possible North Shields. She died without leaving a will and her estate was divided between her direct family who included the Carr family from Gateshead, Tyne and Wear, (previously Co Durham) My father and his siblings received a 1/360th share. Any help would be much appreciated.
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ArgyllGran
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14 Nov 2015 12:58 |
Have you found her on any censuses?
I can't find an Isabella Hopper described as confectioner, or similar.
This one may be a possibility - unmarried. (Ancestry mistakenly includes a family called Storey in the record - but they're at a different address).:
Isabella Hopper in the 1911 England Census
Name: Isabella Hopper Age in 1911: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1873 Relation to Head: Sister Gender: Female Birth Place: North Shields, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Tynemouth County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address: 53 Collingwood View, North Shields Marital Status: Single Registration district: Tynemouth Registration District Number: 559 Sub-registration district: Tynemouth ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Piece: 30757 Household Members: Name Age
Isabella Hopper 38 Edwin Hopper 22 - brother
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ArgyllGran
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14 Nov 2015 13:04 |
IF (and only IF !) that's her, then here she is in 1891 with parents and siblings:
Isabella Hopper
in the 1891 England Census Name: Isabella Hopper Age: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1872 Relation: Daughter Father's name: George Hopper Mother's name: Margaret Hopper Gender: Female Where born: North Shields, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Chirton Ecclesiastical parish: Western Town Town: North Shields County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Tynemouth ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4224 Folio: 20 Page Number: 34 Household Members: Name Age George Hopper 42 Margaret Hopper 45 George Hopper 21 Isabella Hopper 19 William Hopper 16 Mary Hopper 13 Joseph Hopper 11 Edwin Hopper 2
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14 Nov 2015 13:04 |
Isabella Hopper England and Wales Birth Registration Index Name Isabella Hopper Event Type Birth Registration Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun Registration Year 1874 Registration District Tynemouth County Northumberland Event Place Tynemouth, Northumberland, England Volume 10B Page 190 Line Number 213
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ArgyllGran
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14 Nov 2015 13:08 |
You say she died "after 1953".
When did your father receive his share of her estate?
Could this possibly be her death? It's quite a while after 1953. If so, the death cert might provide clues as to her family.
Isabella Hopper
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Isabella Hopper Birth Date: abt 1874 Date of Registration: Jun 1962 Age at Death: 88 Registration district: Durham North Western Inferred County: Durham Volume: 1a Page: 499
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14 Nov 2015 13:10 |
1881 census
Name Isabella Hopper Event Type Census Event Date 1881 Event Place Preston, Northumberland, England Registration District Tynemouth Gender Female Age 8 Marital Status (Original) Single Occupation Scholar Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Birth Year (Estimated) 1873 Birthplace North Shields, Northumberland, England Page Number 64 Registration Number RG11 Piece/Folio 5077/95 Affiliate Record Type Household HOUSEHOLD
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George Hopper Head M 33 North Shields, Northumberland, England Margaret A Hopper Wife F 34 North Shields, Northumberland, England George Hopper Son M 10 North Shields, Northumberland, England Isabella Hopper Daughter F 8 North Shields, Northumberland, England William Hopper Son M 6 North Shields, Northumberland, England Mary Hopper Daughter F 3 North Shields, Northumberland, England Joseph Hopper Son M 1 North Shields, Northumberland, England CITING THIS RECORD
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ArgyllGran
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14 Nov 2015 13:21 |
Welch's (now no more) is the only sweet factory I can find online mention of in North Shields. Can't find any history of it, though.
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/sweet-factory-jobs-at-risk-1601742
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ArgyllGran
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14 Nov 2015 13:26 |
Possible marriage of George and Margaret ???:
Marriages Sep 1869 (>99%) HOPPER George Tynemouth 10b 308 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Robinson George Tynemouth 10b 308 SCOTT Isabella Tynemouth 10b 308 WEAR Margaret Tynemouth 10b 308 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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14 Nov 2015 14:24 |
There is this one:
Name:Isabella Hopper Probate Date:9 Jul 1959 Registry:Newcastle Upon Tyne Death Date:26 Apr 1959 Death Place:Newcastle Upon Tyne
She was a spinster, living at 21 Coniston Avenue, West Jesmond. Administration to Mary Jane Morley, widow, and Lily Coates (wife of Andrew Coates). Effects £5477 7s 9d.
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Potty
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14 Nov 2015 14:26 |
Death Reg for the above:
Name:Isabella Hopper Birth Date:abt 1869 Date of Registration:Jun 1959 Age at Death:90 Registration district:Newcastle upon Tyne Inferred County:Northumberland Volume:1b Page:145
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15 Nov 2015 14:55 |
Thank you all for your help, the one I can definitely connect to my Isabella Hopper is yours Potty as I have a copy of the final distribution showing the Trustees as Mrs M J Morland and Mrs L Coates. I should be able to trace her and confirm the connection to my family was through my gggrandfather. Once again thanks for all your quick replies and information x x
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ArgyllGran
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15 Nov 2015 17:58 |
I can only see two unmarried Isabella Hoppers born 1869, in 1911:
This is perhaps the more likely of the two:
Isabella Hopper in the 1911 England Census Name: Isabella Hopper Age in 1911: 43 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Walker, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Heaton County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address: 46 Wandsworth Road Heaton Newcastle on Tyne Marital Status: Single Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne Registration District Number: 558 Sub-registration district: Byker ED, institution, or vessel: 36 Piece: 30692 Household Members: Name Age Isabella Hopper 83 - widow Elizabeth Hopper 45 - shop manageress Isabella Hopper 43 - no occupation listed
Isabella Hopper in the 1901 England Census Name: Isabella Hopper Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Father: Thomas Hopper Mother: Isabella Hopper Birth Place: Walker, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Heaton Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas Town: Newcastle upon Tyne County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub-registration district: Byker ED, institution, or vessel: 38 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4793 Folio: 61 Page Number: 39 Household schedule number: 258 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Hopper 72 - retired sawyer Isabella Hopper 73 Elizabeth Hopper 35 - dairymaid Isabella Hopper 33 - no occupation listed
Isabella Hopper in the 1891 England Census Name: Isabella Hopper Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Thomas Hopper Mother's name: Isabella Hopper Gender: Female Where born: Walker, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Elswick Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephens County/Island: Northumberland Country: England :Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4194 Folio: 82 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Hopper 62 - sawmill foreman Isabella Hopper 63 Elizabeth Hopper 23 - rubber stamp business Isabella Hopper 23 - ditto
Isabella Hopper in the 1881 England Census Name: Isabella Hopper Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: Thomas Hopper Mother: Isabella Hopper Gender: Female Where born: Longbenton, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Longbenton County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address: 78 Mitchell Street Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Tynemouth ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5084 Folio: 82 Page Number: 58 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Hopper 52 - sawyer Isabella Hopper 53 Elizabeth Hopper 15 - dressmaker Isabella Hopper 13 - scholar
Isabella Hopper in the 1871 England Census Name: Isabella Hopper Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Thomas Hopper Mother's name: Isabella Hopper Gender: Female Where born: Northd, Longbenton Civil Parish: Walker Ecclesiastical parish: Walker Town: Walker County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Tynemouth Sub-registration district: Longbenton ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 235 Piece: 5123 Folio: 48 Page Number: 44 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Hopper 42 - timber frame sawyer Isabella Hopper 43 Elizabeth Hopper 5 Isabella Hopper 3
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ArgyllGran
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15 Nov 2015 18:13 |
On the other hand, the other single Isabella Hopper is living on private means in 1911:
Isabella Hopper in the 1911 England Census Name: Isabella Hopper Age in 1911: 43 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation to Head: Sister Gender: Female Birth Place: Berwick On Tweed, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Berwick upon Tweed County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address: 6 Castle Terrace Berwick On Tweed Marital Status: Single Registration district: Berwick Registration District Number: 567 Sub-registration district: Berwick upon Tweed ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Piece: 31113 Household Members: Name Age Frances Hopper 45 - private means Isabella Hopper 43 - sister, private means
The private means were presumably inherited from their father, who was an innkeeper:
Isabella Hoppe in the 1901 England Census Name: Isabella Hoppe [Isabella Hopper] Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Father: Christopher Hoppe Mother: Isabella Hoppe Birth Place: Berwick, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Berwick upon Tweed Ecclesiastical parish: Berwick upon Tweed Holy Trinity County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Berwick Sub-registration district: Berwick upon Tweed ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4844 Folio: 14 Page Number: 19 Household schedule number: 106 Household Members: Name Age Christopher Hoppe - retired keeper of refreshment rooms Isabella Hoppe 72 Frances Hoppe 35 Isabella Hoppe 33 Eliza Thompson 16 - servant
Isabella Hopper
in the 1891 England Census Name: Isabella Hopper Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Isabella Hopper Gender: Female Where born: Berwick, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Berwick upon Tweed Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address: Registration district: Berwick ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4267 Folio: 14 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Isabella Hopper 61 Christopher Hopper 24 - son Jane Hopper 19 - daughter-in-law Christopher Hopper 10/12 - grandson Isabella Hopper 23 Margaret S Wallace 18 - servant
Isabella Happer in the 1871 England Census Name: Isabella Happer [Isabella Hopper] Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Christopher Happer Mother's name: Isabella Happer Gender: Female Where born: Berwick-Upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Berwick Ecclesiastical parish: Berwick County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Berwick Sub-registration district: Berwick Upon Tweed ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 3 Piece: 5181 Folio: 22 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Christopher Happer 36 - innkeeper, Railway Hotel Isabella Happer 40 Grace Happer 64 Jessie M Happer 10 Grace Happer 8 Frances Happer 5 Christopher Happer 4 Isabella Happer 3 (plus several servants)
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15 Nov 2015 18:34 |
U.K., City and County Directories, 1600s-1900s
Professional & Organisational Directories Berwick Upon Tweed Name: Christopher Hopper <<Refreshment rooms. railway station Residence: 1894 - Northumberland, England
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16 Nov 2015 13:23 |
just in case this helps, this seems the most likely Lily as one of the administrators of the estate that Potty posted the probate of
Marriages Jun 1911 Coates Andrew L Newcastle T. 10b 68 Wood Lily Newcastle T. 10b 68
Name: Lily Coates Birth Date: abt 1883 Date of Registration: Sep 1967 Age at Death: 84 Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Name: Andrew L Coates Birth Date: abt 1882 Date of Registration: Dec 1964 Age at Death: 82 Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
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ArgyllGran
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16 Nov 2015 17:20 |
Lily may be just a friend, of course, and not a relation of Isabella:
??? Lily Wood in the 1911 England Census
Name: Lily Wood Age in 1911: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Newcastle On Tyne, Northland Civil Parish: All Saints County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address: 12 Copland Terrace Shieldfield Newcastle On Tyne Marital Status: Single Occupation: Printer's Feeder Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne Registration District Number: 558 Sub-registration district: All Saints ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Piece: 30643 Household Members: Name Age Henry Wood 73 Mary Wood 72 Lily Wood 28 - printer's feeder William McAlwane 22 - boarder
??? Lily Wood in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Lily Wood Gender: Female Birth Date: 3 Jun 1885 Baptism Date: 4 Jul 1885 Baptism Place: St John, Dukinfield, Cheshire, England Father: Henry Wood Mother: Mary Jane FHL Film Number: 1655859 Reference ID: item 3 p 98
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16 Nov 2015 17:26 |
Lily Wood in the 1901 England Census Name: Lily Wood Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Father: Henry Wood Mother: Mary Wood Birth Place: Newc-on-Tyne Civil Parish: All Saints Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub-registration district: All Saints ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4786 Folio: 63 Page Number: 45 Household schedule number: 257 Household Members: Name Age Henry Wood 63 Mary Wood 62 Emily J Wood 28 Lily Wood 18 Benjamin Plevin 25 - boarder Herbet A Plevin 21 - boarder
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ArgyllGran
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16 Nov 2015 17:31 |
Aha! This could be the Carr link you mentioned, June.
Marriage of Lily's parents?? (Married 49 years in 1911)
Marriages Mar 1863 (>99%) BRIDGE Mary Gateshead 10a 649 CARR Mary Gateshead 10a 649 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Johnson Christopher Gateshead 10a 649 WOOD Henry Gateshead 10a 649 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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16 Nov 2015 18:41 |
Just to confirm the pairing in the marriage above:
England, Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Henry Wood Gender: Male Age: 24 Marriage Date: 18 Jan 1863 Marriage Place: Gateshead,Durham,England Spouse: Mary Carr, age 24
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17 Nov 2015 18:37 |
Once again thank you all for the wonderful help you've all given me, I now have enough info to not only confirm that I have the correct Isabella Hopper but also establish the link between her and my father. I'm overwhelmed at the response I've had, thank you GR for providing this facility x
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