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Pleased that my Lily Coates turned out to be a good lead and well done to ArgyllGran (with MarieCeleste) for finding all the connections. :-)

So the sweet factory in North Shields was a red herring!

Came across this article (from 2004) about a lady called Annie born c1904 who worked at Carr's.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/tons-of-happiness-1638406

PM from June:

Apologies for taking so long to reply, Thanks to yourself and the others that replied to my thread I have been able to establish the link between Isabella Hopper and my father. You are right in saying that Isabella, Lily and Mary were cousins as was my ggrandfather George. His father also George was one of the brothers and the one that established the sweet factory in Oakwellgate, Gateshead.
Thank you once again for all your help.
Cheers June x

??? so is mother Isabella also a sister of Mary and Jane?? Which would make your Isabella Hopper, Mary Jane Morland, and Lily Coates all cousins of each other.


Isabella Carr
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Isabella Carr
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Gender: Female
Where born: Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Gosforth
Hundred: Castle (West Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Castle Ward
Sub-registration district: Ponteland
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 821
Book: 11
Folio: 10
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cave 42 (Carr) - horse keeper
Isabela Carr 39
George Carr 17
William Carr 15
Isabella Carr 13 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mary Carr 3

Your Isabella Hopper is the one I posted about on 15 Nov @ 17:58 with parents Thomas and Isabella.

Mother Isabella was also a Carr:

Marriages Jun 1864 (>99%)
Carr Isabella Gateshead 10a 816
Hopper Thomas Gateshead 10a 816

Mary Jane Morland is also a Carr link:

Mary J Morland
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Mary J Morland
Birth Date: abt 1875
Date of Registration: Mar 1963
Age at Death: 88
Registration district: Northumberland Central
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 1b
Page: 289



Mary Jane Morland
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Mary Jane Morland
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Gateshead-on-tyne, Durham, England
Civil Parish: South Shields
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 9 Malvern St South Shields
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: South Shields
Registration District Number: 556
Sub-registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 61
Piece: 30320
Household Members:
Name Age
William James Morland 36
Mary Jane Morland 35
William Charnock Morland 9
Sydney John Morland 5



Marriages Jun 1901 (>99%)
Charnock Mary Jane Gateshead 10a 1575
Morland William James Gateshead 10a 1575



Mary Jane Charnock
in the 1901 England Census

Name: Mary Jane Charnock
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Mother: Jane Charnock
Birth Place: Gateshead, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4756
Folio: 79
Page Number: 27
Household schedule number: 170
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Charnock 59
James Alfred Charnock 29
Mary Jane Charnock 26
Richard Charnock 21
Elizabeth Charnock 17




Mary J Charnock
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Mary J Charnock
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Jane Charnock
Gender: Female
Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4181
Folio: 9
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Charnock 49
James A Charnock 19
Mary J Charnock 16
Richard Charnock 11
Elizabeth Charnock 7



Mary I. Charnock
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Mary I. Charnock
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: John Charnock
Mother: Jane Charnock
Gender: Female
Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Gateshead
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 2 Pit Arch
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5036
Folio: 94
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
John Charnock 44
Jane Charnock 38
William Charnock 18
John Charnock 15
James Charnock 9
Mary I. Charnock 6
Richard Charnock 1



Marriages Jun 1862 (>99%)
Carr Jane Gateshead 10a 726 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Charnock John Gateshead 10a 726



Jane (Mary Jane's mother) and Mary (Lily's mother) were sisters:

Jane Carr
in the 1851 England Census

Name: Jane Carr
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Willim Carr
Mother's name: Isabella Carr
Gender: Female
Where born: Garforth, Northumberland, England (Gosforth in image)
Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 187
Piece: 2402
Folio: 567
Page Number: 47
Household Members:
Name Age
Willim Carr 52
Isabella Carr 42
Mary Carr 12
Jane Carr 9



So Mary Jane Morland and Lily Coates were cousins.

Once again thank you all for the wonderful help you've all given me, I now have enough info to not only confirm that I have the correct Isabella Hopper but also establish the link between her and my father. I'm overwhelmed at the response I've had, thank you GR for providing this facility x

Just to confirm the pairing in the marriage above:

England, Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Henry Wood
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Marriage Date: 18 Jan 1863
Marriage Place: Gateshead,Durham,England
Spouse: Mary Carr, age 24

Aha!
This could be the Carr link you mentioned, June.

Marriage of Lily's parents?? (Married 49 years in 1911)

Marriages Mar 1863 (>99%)
BRIDGE Mary Gateshead 10a 649
CARR Mary Gateshead 10a 649 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Johnson Christopher Gateshead 10a 649
WOOD Henry Gateshead 10a 649 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Lily Wood
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Lily Wood
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Henry Wood
Mother: Mary Wood
Birth Place: Newc-on-Tyne
Civil Parish: All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4786
Folio: 63
Page Number: 45
Household schedule number: 257
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Wood 63
Mary Wood 62
Emily J Wood 28
Lily Wood 18
Benjamin Plevin 25 - boarder
Herbet A Plevin 21 - boarder

Lily may be just a friend, of course, and not a relation of Isabella:


???
Lily Wood
in the 1911 England Census

Name: Lily Wood
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Newcastle On Tyne, Northland
Civil Parish: All Saints
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 12 Copland Terrace Shieldfield Newcastle On Tyne
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Printer's Feeder
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Registration District Number: 558
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 30643
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Wood 73
Mary Wood 72
Lily Wood 28 - printer's feeder
William McAlwane 22 - boarder


???
Lily Wood
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Lily Wood
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 3 Jun 1885
Baptism Date: 4 Jul 1885
Baptism Place: St John, Dukinfield, Cheshire, England
Father: Henry Wood
Mother: Mary Jane
FHL Film Number: 1655859
Reference ID: item 3 p 98

just in case this helps, this seems the most likely Lily as one of the administrators of the estate that Potty posted the probate of

Marriages Jun 1911
Coates Andrew L Newcastle T. 10b 68
Wood Lily Newcastle T. 10b 68

Name: Lily Coates
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Sep 1967
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne

Name: Andrew L Coates
Birth Date: abt 1882
Date of Registration: Dec 1964
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne

U.K., City and County Directories, 1600s-1900s

Professional & Organisational Directories Berwick Upon Tweed

Name: Christopher Hopper <<Refreshment rooms. railway station
Residence: 1894 - Northumberland, England

On the other hand, the other single Isabella Hopper is living on private means in 1911:


Isabella Hopper
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Isabella Hopper
Age in 1911: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Berwick On Tweed, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Berwick upon Tweed
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 6 Castle Terrace Berwick On Tweed
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Berwick
Registration District Number: 567
Sub-registration district: Berwick upon Tweed
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 31113
Household Members:
Name Age
Frances Hopper 45 - private means
Isabella Hopper 43 - sister, private means



The private means were presumably inherited from their father, who was an innkeeper:

Isabella Hoppe
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Isabella Hoppe
[Isabella Hopper]
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Christopher Hoppe
Mother: Isabella Hoppe
Birth Place: Berwick, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Berwick upon Tweed
Ecclesiastical parish: Berwick upon Tweed Holy Trinity
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Berwick
Sub-registration district: Berwick upon Tweed
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4844
Folio: 14
Page Number: 19
Household schedule number: 106
Household Members:
Name Age
Christopher Hoppe - retired keeper of refreshment rooms
Isabella Hoppe 72
Frances Hoppe 35
Isabella Hoppe 33
Eliza Thompson 16 - servant



Isabella Hopper

in the 1891 England Census
Name: Isabella Hopper
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Isabella Hopper
Gender: Female
Where born: Berwick, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Berwick upon Tweed
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Berwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4267
Folio: 14
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Isabella Hopper 61
Christopher Hopper 24 - son
Jane Hopper 19 - daughter-in-law
Christopher Hopper 10/12 - grandson
Isabella Hopper 23
Margaret S Wallace 18 - servant



Isabella Happer
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Isabella Happer
[Isabella Hopper]
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Christopher Happer
Mother's name: Isabella Happer
Gender: Female
Where born: Berwick-Upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Berwick
Ecclesiastical parish: Berwick
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Berwick
Sub-registration district: Berwick Upon Tweed
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 3
Piece: 5181
Folio: 22
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Christopher Happer 36 - innkeeper, Railway Hotel
Isabella Happer 40
Grace Happer 64
Jessie M Happer 10
Grace Happer 8
Frances Happer 5
Christopher Happer 4
Isabella Happer 3
(plus several servants)

I can only see two unmarried Isabella Hoppers born 1869, in 1911:

This is perhaps the more likely of the two:

Isabella Hopper
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Isabella Hopper
Age in 1911: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Walker, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Heaton
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 46 Wandsworth Road Heaton Newcastle on Tyne
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Registration District Number: 558
Sub-registration district: Byker
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Piece: 30692
Household Members:
Name Age
Isabella Hopper 83 - widow
Elizabeth Hopper 45 - shop manageress
Isabella Hopper 43 - no occupation listed



Isabella Hopper
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Isabella Hopper
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Thomas Hopper
Mother: Isabella Hopper
Birth Place: Walker, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Heaton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas
Town: Newcastle upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Byker
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4793
Folio: 61
Page Number: 39
Household schedule number: 258
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hopper 72 - retired sawyer
Isabella Hopper 73
Elizabeth Hopper 35 - dairymaid
Isabella Hopper 33 - no occupation listed



Isabella Hopper
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Isabella Hopper
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Hopper
Mother's name: Isabella Hopper
Gender: Female
Where born: Walker, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Elswick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephens
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
:Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4194
Folio: 82
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hopper 62 - sawmill foreman
Isabella Hopper 63
Elizabeth Hopper 23 - rubber stamp business
Isabella Hopper 23 - ditto



Isabella Hopper
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Isabella Hopper
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Thomas Hopper
Mother: Isabella Hopper
Gender: Female
Where born: Longbenton, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Longbenton
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 78 Mitchell Street
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Tynemouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5084
Folio: 82
Page Number: 58
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hopper 52 - sawyer
Isabella Hopper 53
Elizabeth Hopper 15 - dressmaker
Isabella Hopper 13 - scholar



Isabella Hopper
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Isabella Hopper
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Hopper
Mother's name: Isabella Hopper
Gender: Female
Where born: Northd, Longbenton
Civil Parish: Walker
Ecclesiastical parish: Walker
Town: Walker
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Longbenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 235
Piece: 5123
Folio: 48
Page Number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hopper 42 - timber frame sawyer
Isabella Hopper 43
Elizabeth Hopper 5
Isabella Hopper 3

Thank you all for your help, the one I can definitely connect to my Isabella Hopper is yours Potty as I have a copy of the final distribution showing the Trustees as Mrs M J Morland and Mrs L Coates. I should be able to trace her and confirm the connection to my family was through my gggrandfather. Once again thanks for all your quick replies and information x x

Death Reg for the above:


Name:Isabella Hopper
Birth Date:abt 1869
Date of Registration:Jun 1959
Age at Death:90
Registration district:Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County:Northumberland
Volume:1b
Page:145

There is this one:


Name:Isabella Hopper
Probate Date:9 Jul 1959
Registry:Newcastle Upon Tyne
Death Date:26 Apr 1959
Death Place:Newcastle Upon Tyne

She was a spinster, living at 21 Coniston Avenue, West Jesmond. Administration to Mary Jane Morley, widow, and Lily Coates (wife of Andrew Coates). Effects £5477 7s 9d.

Possible marriage of George and Margaret ???:

Marriages Sep 1869 (>99%)
HOPPER George Tynemouth 10b 308 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Robinson George Tynemouth 10b 308
SCOTT Isabella Tynemouth 10b 308
WEAR Margaret Tynemouth 10b 308 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Welch's (now no more) is the only sweet factory I can find online mention of in North Shields.
Can't find any history of it, though.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/sweet-factory-jobs-at-risk-1601742