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19 Sep 2015 17:13 |
Please can ask for some help with four children for William smith and sarah ann walsh, ordsall Salford...They had 17 children in all,these are the ones I found:
Ann1879-1943 Amanda 1898 Lydia 1891 Amy 1885, died age 7 months William 1893 William ernest 1882 Henry 1876-1899 William 1877 Elizabeth F 1900 Edith 1887 Ethel 1887-1887 Selina 1889 Sarah ?
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19 Sep 2015 17:29 |
to start with, have you got the marriage details for the couple and their birth years please
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MargaretM
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19 Sep 2015 17:33 |
I think this is the family in 1901?
Elizabeth F Smith
in the 1901 England Census Record Image View
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Name: Elizabeth F Smith Age: 9/12 Estimated birth year: abt 1900 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Father: William Smith Mother: Sarah A Smith Birth Place: Salford, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Salford Search Photos: Search for 'Salford' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: Ordsall in Salford St Clement County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Salford Sub-registration district: Regent Road ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3735 Folio: 97 Page Number: 4 Household schedule number: 20 Household Members: Name Age William Smith 47 Sarah A Smith 44 Sarah A Smith 21 Edith Smith 14 Selma Smith 12 Elizabeth F Smith 9/12 John Hindley 57, boarder Robert Walsh 28, boarder Isabella Parrott 62, visitor
Selma is Selina on original.
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Maddie
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19 Sep 2015 17:34 |
a tree on ancestry has this
William Birth 1856 abt Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire Census 1861 Age: 5 14 Clayburn Street, Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire Occupation 1871 Age: 15 Errand Boy Census 1871 Age: 15 13 Pleasant Grove, Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire 2 Sources Marriage to Sarah Ann Walsh 1875 8 Nov Age: 19 Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George, Lancashire Occupation 1881 Age: 25 Painter Census 1881 Age: 25 114 Granville Street, Salford, Lancashire Occupation 1891 Age: 35 Painter Census 1891 Age: 35 25 South Short Street, Ordsall, Salford, Lancashire Occupation 1901 Age: 45 House Painter Census 1901 Age: 45 241 Robert Hall Street, Salford, Lancashire Census 1911 Age: 55 Not found on Census Wife and daughter Elizabeth Smith (aged 10) staying with widower Jabez Smith Palmer the husband of sister in law Mary Jane Palmr (nee Walsh). Wife is shown as married but husband not with her on Census nor are any of there other children
Sarah Ann Birth 1857 abt Manchester, Lancashire Census 1861 Age: 4 Not found on Census Census 1871 Age: 14 Not found on Census Marriage to William Smith 1875 8 Nov Age: 18 Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George, Lancashire Census 1881 Age: 24 114 Granville Street, Salford, Lancashire Census 1891 Age: 34 25 South Short Street, Ordsall, Salford, Lancashire Census 1901 Age: 44 241 Robert Hall Street, Salford, Lancashire Occupation 1911 Age: 54 General Domestic Servant Census 1911 Age: 54 32 New Park Road, Salford, Lancashire Mother and daughter Elizabeth Smith (aged 10) staying with widower Jabez Smith Palmer the husband of her sister Mary Jane Palmer (nee Walsh). Shown as married but husband not with her on Census nor are any of her other children
children Henry Smith 1877 –
Ann Smith 1880 –
Ernest Smith 1881 –
Edith Smith 1887 –
Selina Smith 1889 –
Elizabeth Florence Smith 1900 –
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MargaretM
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19 Sep 2015 17:40 |
Same family 1891?
Edith Smith
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Name: Edith Smith Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1887 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Smith Mother's name: Sarah D Smith Gender: Female Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Salford Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Salford Sub registration district: Regent Road ED, institution, or vessel: 37 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3226 Folio: 44 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age William Smith 34 Sarah D Smith 32 Henry Smith 14 Ann Smith 9 Ernest Smith 8 Edith Smith 4 Leny Smith 2 John Lindley 50
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Maddie
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19 Sep 2015 17:40 |
Name: William Smith Gender: Male Marriage Date: 8 Nov 1875 Marriage Place: Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England Spouse: Sarah Ann Walsh FHL Film Number: 438234, 438235, 438236, 438237
Name: Selina Smith Gender: Female Baptism Date: 3 Apr 1889 Baptism Place: Chapelry of St Clement, Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England Father: William Smith Mother: Sarah Ann FHL Film Number: 1786422
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cane
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19 Sep 2015 17:46 |
yes Margee, right census William and sarah were married in Salford ordsall 1875
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cane
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19 Sep 2015 17:49 |
on that 191 census the Leny is Lena (Selina)
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cane
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19 Sep 2015 17:52 |
yes maddie...The William 1856 is sarah ann`s hubby...
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Maddie
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19 Sep 2015 17:52 |
Ernest 1911 ?? Name: Ernest Smith Age in 1911: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Salford, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Salford Search Photos: Search for 'Salford' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 15 North Street Hope Street Salford Marital Status: Married Occupation: Brewers Carter Registration district: Salford Registration District Number: 465 Sub-registration district: Greengate ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Piece: 24017 Household Members: Name Age Ernest Smith 30 Elizabeth Ann Smith 25 Gladys Smith
married 6 years i child living, i died
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Maddie
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19 Sep 2015 17:54 |
England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription Print transcription View image First name(s) ERNEST Last name SMITH Marriage quarter 2 Marriage year 1905 Registration month - MarriageFinder™ ERNEST SMITH married one of these people MARY JACKSON, ELIZABETH ANN PALMER District SALFORD District number - County Lancashire Country England Volume 8D Page 127 Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain
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Maddie
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19 Sep 2015 17:57 |
Name: Ernest Smith Gender: Male Baptism Date: 5 Jun 1881 Baptism Place: St. Bartholomew, Salford, Lancashire, England Father: William Smith Mother: Sarah Ann FHL Film Number: 1786460 Reference ID: yr 1880-1881 p 191
ERNEST Last name SMITH Birth year 1881 Birth quarter 3 Registration month - Mother's last name - District SALFORD County Lancashire Country England Volume 8D Page 13 Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms Collections from Great Britain © brightsolid online publishing ltd
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MargaretM
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19 Sep 2015 18:53 |
I see, on the1911 census, she'd had 17 children but 12 had died!!! Can you imagine losing 12 children?
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cane
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19 Sep 2015 19:41 |
five made it to adulthood and had children x
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ArgyllGran
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12 Nov 2015 16:38 |
Further info requested by Cane:
"Ime not too sure if ive done a request for this before....my gt,gt grandparents had 17 children, they were all (as far as i know) baptised at st clements ordsall form 1875 - 1900...i just need to find four and i have them all %3A-%29 Their parents were william and sarah ann smith, william is a painter..."
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1356112
EDIT: Cane has now deleted that new thread, which had no new info on it.
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cane
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12 Nov 2015 16:41 |
Thanks for nudging Argyllgran......Still need help on this one peeps x
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ArgyllGran
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12 Nov 2015 16:55 |
I don't think this one's been mentioned before:
Walter Smith
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening:14 May 1890 Parish of St. Clement, Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England residence:Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England father:William Henry Smith mother:Sarah
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ArgyllGran
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12 Nov 2015 17:01 |
Some different dates from those you quoted in your opening post:
Henry Smith
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening:13 August 1892 Parish of St. Clement, Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England residence:Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England father:William Smith mother:Sarah
Amy Smith
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening:26 November 1884 Chapelry of St. Clement, Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England residence:Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England father:William Smith mother:Sarah Ann
Ethel Smith
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening:26 January 1887 Chapelry of St. Clement, Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England residence:Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England father:William Smith mother:Sarah Ann
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12 Nov 2015 17:02 |
Sarah Smith
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening:28 July 1886 Chapelry of St. Clement, Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England residence:Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England father:William Smith mother:Sarah Ann
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ArgyllGran
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12 Nov 2015 17:11 |
Possible death of Walter, as he's not with the family in 1891 :
Deaths Dec 1890 (>99%) Smith Walter 0 Salford 8d 53
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