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Mike ... it's just that repeating info that is already in the thread is not generally useful and can be confusing especially to new posters :-)

JC.. I am paying attention.
I previously sent a PM to Deborah to ask her to return and tell us if she is looking for Elizabeth Mary Ann Allen or simply Charles Britten's wife.

(edited since malyon has deleted unrelated records posted)


I have sent Deborah a PM

Mike you gotta pay attention :-) ... I posted the Britten-Tansley marriage well above, yesterday afternoon!

and yes, Londonbelle, that is what I have been saying ... well no actually, the other Charles Britten married Louisa Walker, not Elizabeth Mary Allen ...

and malyon there is *absolutely no point* in continuing to post records about people when we have no idea whether they are of any interest to Deborah (I already ruled out that Elizabeth Allen of Bedford and I have deleted my previous info about her because *she is not relevant*, she did not marry a Charles Britten or even Joseph Davenport ...)




Deborah told us:

'ELIZABETH MARY ALLEN BORN 1865 at Bedfordshire . She got married to CHARLES BRITTEN born 1860 at Salford, Bedfordshire.'

This is simply false, it seems to have been based on some kind of assumption made from the marriage record without doing any verifying, even checking censuses.

In the marriage list with those two names, they did not even marry each other!

*that* Elizabeth Mary Allen married Joseph Walter Davenport

a *different* Elizabeth married a *different* Charles Britten ... Elizabeth Lankester Tansley


>>> Deborah needs to come back to her thread and tell us who she wants to know about

Charles Britten and/or Elizabeth Lankester Tansley who married in 1886
*or*
Elizabeth Mary Ann Allen from Bethnal Green who married Joseph Walter Davenport in 1885
*or*
Charles Britten who married Louisa Walker in 1885

Elizabeth Allen
England Births and Christenings
Name Elizabeth Allen
Gender Female
Christening Date 09 Jul 1865
Christening Place Sharnbrook, Bedford, England
Father's Name Charles Allen
Mother's Name Rebecca

So it looks like we have two different marriages to a Charles Britten

Elizabeth Mary Allen in 1885
and
Elizabeth Lankester Tansley in 1886

I think as someone has already said we need to know how the Poster has got back to the marriage of Elizabeth Mary Allen.

Posting this as the name 'Tansley' is mentioned with the name 'Britten'...residence Salford

Name: Percy Charles Tansley Britten
Birth Place: Salford, Beds
Residence: Salford
Death Date: 30 Sep 1918
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Ampthill
Rank: Private
Regiment: Bedfordshire Regiment
Battalion: 4th Battalion
Regimental Number: 23776
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

so that would be this marriage me thinks ...


Marriages Dec 1886

BRITTEN Charles Woburn 3b 811
Elliott Sarah Elizabeth Woburn 3b 811
HAYNES John Ruben Woburn 3b 811
TANSLEY Elizabeth Lankester Woburn 3b 811

(if below)

15 May 1931 - Bedfordshire Times and Independent - Bedford, Bedfordshire

Death
Salford - The death of Mr. Charles Britten look place 6th May, he was 71 years age and had been in fading health for some years, death being the result of seizure. He leaves a widow, four sons, and two daughters, having lost two sons in the war. The funeral took place on Saturday afternoon in the Parish Church. The widow was unable to attend through illness.


Deaths Jun 1931 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------
Britten Charles 71 Ampthill 3b 367

Chris :)

http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Bedfordshire/SalfordRollofHonour.html

(Sons on above perhaps)


17 September 1948 - Bedfordshire Times and Independent - Bedford

Death
SALFORD - LATE MRS. E. BRITTEN - One of the village's oldest inhabitants, Mrs. Elizabeth Britten, of 6 Council Houses, died on 7th September, aged 84. Mrs. Britten, who was blind, had been an invalid for many years and had borne her infirmities with great courage. The funeral took place at Salford Chuch on Saturday.


Deaths Sep 1948 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------
Britten Elizabeth L 84 Ampthill 4a 3


(possibly more snippets relating, Newspapers seem good for Beds.!)

No Mike, not the Wandsworth EMAA, Joseph Walter Davenport married the EMAA I posted:

Births Sep 1852
Allen Elizabeth Mary Ann - Bethnal Green 1c 217

given that she was older than him and stated born in Bethnal Green in the census
(census age 1853 in 1891 that I put in my first post)


Elizabeth Mary Allen of Wandsworth is unrelated!


but yes, the question is, who the ^%$# are we looking for??? :-D

So now we don't know whether we are tracing Elizabeth or Charles, or Louisa Walker who married Charles Britten !

1881
Street address:1 Iron Mill Rd Wandsworth

Andrew Allen 54 - Wandsworth, Surrey
Mary E. Allen 54 - Guildford, Surrey
George Allen 24
Edward Allen 22
Elizabeth M.A. Allen 17 <<<<<<<<<<
William A.A. Allen 3

so going right back to my first post ...


Births Mar 1864
ALLEN Elizabeth Mary Ann - Wandsworth 1d 476

So Elizabeth M A actually married Joseph Walter Davenport. NOT Charles Britten...Argggh !!

Have deleted as it's the wrong trail.
____________________

1891

Name:
Joseph Walter Davenport

Age:38
Estimated birth year:abt 1863


Spouse:Elizabeth Davenport

Birth Place:Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish:Kempston
Town:Kempston
County/Island:Bedfordshire


Joseph Walter Davenport 38
Elizabeth Davenport 48 -Bethnal Green, London <<<<<<<<<<

Mike, that is the couple I posted at the very beginning in 1871

Charles Britten 31
Elizabeth L Britten 26
John C Britten 3
Mary A L Britten 2

and yes it is not the couple described in the OP

> edit, Mike, did you delete a post tracing that couple later?



I think we have started from a false premise


1891

Name: Elizabeth Davenport
Age: 38
> Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Wife
> Spouse's Name: Joseph W Davenport
Gender: Female
> Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Leonards
Town: Bedford
County/Island: Bedfordshire


Marriages Dec 1885
> Allen Elizabeth Mary A Bedford 3b 721
Britten Charles Bedford 3b 721
> Davenport Joseph Walter Bedford 3b 721
WALKER Louisa Bedford 3b 721

Elizabeth Mary A Allen married Joseph Walter Davenport NOT Charles Britten

this is that Elizabeth Mary Ann Allen's birth

Births Sep 1852
Allen Elizabeth Mary Ann - Bethnal Green 1c 217


It looks like it was assumed that Charles Britten married Elizabeth Mary Allen, but he didn't, he married Louisa Walker

But the Elizabeth Mary Allen who married Joseph Davenport was a decade older ...


we really do need to know some facts, and who is the actual person of interest here ... whoever married Charles Britten, or Elizabeth Mary Allen (or Odell?) ... or the other Charles and Elizabeth Britten couple ....... !!

Maybe Charles Odell died and Charlotte remarried


1861

Name:
Laura R Odell

Age:3
Estimated birth year:1858

Relation:Daughter

Father's name:Charles Odell
Mother's name:Charlotte Odell

Where born:
Gamlingay, Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish:
Bedford St Paul

Charles Odell 29
Charlotte Odell 29
Laura R Odell 3

ODELL Elizabeth Mary Ann

makes good sense Mike (oops edit, Mike not Chris!)

again, Deborah needs the Allen-Britten marriage certificate to see whether it names Charles Allen as her father (which would not be proof he actually was her father)

and then the Odell birth certificate


(edit, there *was no* Allen-Britten marriage)

1871

Name:
Charlotte Allen

Age:40

Estimated birth year:abt 1831

Spouse's Name:
Charles Allen

Where born:
Gamlingay, Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish:St Peter
Town:Bedford

Charles Allen 50
Charlotte Allen 40
Charles Allen 16
Mary Allen 4 ...... maybe Elizabeth went by her middle name ??
Lizzie Allen 2
Laura Odell 12
William Ellwood 6

BUT

There are possible marriages in 1885 in Wandsworth and in Redruth.

So really need to know how the poster has worked backwards

I wonder if this is her and her mother was Charlotte ??

Births Jun 1864
ODELL Elizabeth Mary Ann - Biggleswade 3b 349


Marriages Mar 1866
Allen Charles Bedford 3b 401
Fensom William Bedford 3b 401
Odell Charlotte Bedford 3b 401
WHITMEE Louisa Bedford 3b 401