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Thanks Dea.

Keith

Make sure you come back onto 'this' thread so we have all the previous info to hand.

If it has gone off the board look to the left and under 'tools' you will see 'my threads' - click on this and it will bring up any threads you have started or added to.

See you soon........

Dea x

Thanks Dea, I certainly will.

Keith

I think you need to step back and look at the facts and the people that you know are correct - forget 'Alfred Beard's' tree - there may be a few things in there which fit but the majority of it seems to be incorrect.

When you have digested what you now have, come back with any questions.

Dea Xxx

Dea we do have a Ford in our family he was a Patrick Ford b.1934 he married a cousin of mine Maria Trotman b.1937, I haven't been able to see if he is a connect, I really want to try and find two people in the 18th or 19th century, they must be there.
Thanks for all your help I am going to take in now all you have sent me and undate my ancestry tree.

No probs Keith - There may very well be a connection somewhere but it is not the one you started on.

I will see if I can find a link somewhere further back..........

This is what I have on Sophia:


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Scholefield Street, Aston Near Birmingham, Aston, Warwickshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Ford Head Widower Male 51 1800 Edge Tool Maker Colby, Gloucestershire, England
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Thomas Ford Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Edge Tool Maker Colby, Gloucestershire, England
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Sophia Ford Mother Widow Female 79 1772 - Hampton, Gloucestershire, England
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Drusilla Ford Niece Unmarried Female 14 1837 House Servant Colby, Gloucestershire, England

NB - Colby above should read COLEY




1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Coaley Street, Coaley, Dursley, Gloucestershire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
James Fords Male 30 1811 Gloucestershire, England
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Elizabeth Fords Female 20 1821 Gloucestershire, England
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Soppiah Fords Female 70 1771 Gloucestershire, England
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George Davis Male 5 1836 Gloucestershire, England

NB - Lots of other Fords on the same page !!!



Dea x

I think that you have answered one of my niggling problems and that the reason why we could not find him was because of the remarriage to Bret Ford, the other children I do not no the source of their details. I think I have enough to revise this tree. What I am trying to do basically is to try and find a connection between George and Sophia's tree and mine they all lived around Woodford, Coaley, and North Nibley maybe one day I will find it. Thanks again Dea.

Keith

Thanks Dea & Maddia, I will go for that all sounds feasible, I will study your finding later, you are on the ball with my GG Grandmother and her husband George brown. The couple you mention that she had before she meet George, one is William b.1838 he is my G Grandfather and George b.1835 his brother. Mary first child did not marry. Their father was Anthony Savage and I have the all the details on them. The source of my information on George and Sophia comes from a tree that Alf Beard did some years ago, he would never speak to me because I was always correcting him.

Some records are kept at Portsmouth records office because my great grandfather William when there to join the Navy.

Regards Keith

Well, Mary Lewis Trotman and George Brown appear to be easy to follow back to 1841 census - I can see no possibility of a marriage for Mary to William George Trotman.

Mary appears to have been born a 'Trotman' and did not gain the name through marriage.

She was a spinster on her marriage to George Brown in 1860, even though she had had several children to him and a couple to a previous partner (who was NOT William George Trotman)

Dea x

Hi Keith,

Can you tell me if you have absolute proof of those other children born to George and Sophia please?

They do appear on the 'One World Tree' on Family search but there are no reliable source details.

However, there 'is' proof of a marriage of a widow Sophia Trotman to a Brett Ford in 1798 which would mean that George must have died before this and therefore his son could not have been born in 1804. (Ann mentioned this above but it does appear to be most probable).

Sophia and George 'did' appear to have a son William in 1795:

Gloucestershire Baptisms Transcription
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First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name TROTMAN
Birth year 1795
Baptism year 1795
Baptism date 02 Aug
Baptism place COALEY
Father's first name(s) George
Mother's first name(s) Sophia
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Record set Gloucestershire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

Of course, he could have died and they then named a further son after him (not unusual), BUT, if that is 'your' Sophia's remarriage then any son born in 1804 would have been a 'Ford'

This is, of course, not giving you detail on his marriage which is what you are looking for but we need to get all his details correct before we can hope to be sure of any marriage we may find.

Ahhh - I now see that you have travelled back through your family to Mary Lewis Trotman.

Perhaps we should set aside that William George for the time being and concentrate on Mary.

Can you tell us what detail you have on her please?

Dea x

Forgot to mention George Trotman 1774 descend from Thomas Trotman b.1538-1606 who married Anne Tyndale b.1540-1618.

Keith

Many thanks everyone for your input, the problem I have is that George Trotman b.1774 who married Sophia Dee also born 1774 they had a son William George Trotman b.1804 in Berkeley Gloucestershire. George married Sophia on the 6th October 1794 in Coaley. There were seven other siblings namely, Lydia b.1796, Elizabeth b.1798, Esau b.1799, Deborah b.1801, then George, Ann b.1802, Eliza b.1807, and an unnamed child b.1808. What I cannot find out is who William George Trotman married, someone said to me "he may have changed his name around and called himself George as his father. All these events are in the district of Woodford, Gloucestershire.

The other problem searching all the agencies is that some people have got some incorrect information that say that George, if that is was what he eventually called himself married my GG Grandmother Mary Lewis Trotman" this is absolutely wrong, I have all the information available for Mary and her boyfriend Anthony Savage and her following husband George Brown who she stayed with until her death. So if any of you kind people can tell me anything about this son of George and Sophia I would be most grateful.

Keith

Hi Keith,

Could you tell us how you have traced back to George and Sophia through your family please ?

There are many details on FamilySearch site for this family but most of these, especially in that tree just do not add up and there is no source info for most of it as it comes from a large Pedigree Resource File with detail 'submitted' by people all over the world and 'joined together'.

We need to start with what you know as 'fact' and then work steadily backwards.

Dea x

that marriage to Mary Lewis which is posted is from the free site - www.familysearch.org - and is part of a more full family tree that is on there

Keith - best if you respond on here rather than by message - much better

BRETT
Last name FORD
Birth year 1777
Baptism year 1777
Baptism date 20 Apr
Baptism place COALEY
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mother's first name(s) Betty
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Record set Gloucestershire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

sophia had these children

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Elizabeth Fords

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
3 May 1801
COALEY, GLOUCESTER, ENGLAND
father:
Bret Fords
mother:
Sophia

Thomas Ford

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
1799
COALEY, GLOUCESTER, ENGLAND
father:
Brett Ford

Edwin Ford

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
17 May 1807
COALEY, GLOUCESTER, ENGLAND
father:
Bret Ford
mother:
Sophia

Mary Ford

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
19 April 1808
COALEY, GLOUCESTER, ENGLAND
father:
Bret Ford
mother:
Sophia

William George /Trotman/


Birth

about 1804

Berkeley Glos.


Baptism

July 1804

Berkeley,Glos.


PARENTS

Father

George /TROTMAN/

Mother

Sophia /DEE/


MARRIAGES (1)


Spouse

Mary Lewis /Trotman/


Marriage

about 1836

Glos.

for ref

First name(s) GEORGE
Last name TROTMAN
Birth year -
Marriage year 1794
Marriage date 06 Oct
Spouse's first name -
Spouse's last name -
Place COALEY
Bride's first name Sophia
Bride's last name Dee
Groom's first name George
Groom's last name Trotman
Comment Bach./Spin.. Banns. Wits. Samuel Heaven/Thomas Gabb.
Parish Coaley
County Gloucestershire

(taken from your other 'Thread' relating keith...click on below)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1359837

Chris :)


Chris Ho :) Report Edit Delete 10 May 2016 13:33

County Gloucestershire
Place Coaley
Church name St Bartholomew
Register type Phillimore's Transcripts
Marriage date 06 Oct 1794
Groom forename George
Groom surname TROTMAN
Bride forename Sophia
Bride surname DEE


Baptism
Gloucestershire
Place Coaley
Church name St Bartholomew
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 02 Aug 1795
Person forename William
Father forename George
Father surname TROTMAN
Mother forename Sophia


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County Gloucestershire
Place Coaley
Church name St Bartholomew
Register type Phillimore's Transcripts
Marriage date 23 Apr 1798
Groom forename Brett
Groom surname FORDS
Bride forename Sophia
Bride surname TROTMAN
Bride condition Widow

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above link, if couple relate)

Chris :)