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Christine
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5 May 2016 14:47 |
I have very little I can post about Samuel other than in 1882 he fathered twins with my great grandma Mary McIntosh in Glasgow.We think his father was a blacksmith but that is about it.I know its a long shot but I would love to know more about him.Chris
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Maddie
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5 May 2016 14:56 |
what were the twins names, have you found them in 1891 census
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Christine
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5 May 2016 15:06 |
Hi,The twins were Robert [my grandad] and David under the name Barclay until I got a revised birth certificate with Samuel named as the father.Chris
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5 May 2016 15:09 |
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Parliamentary Road, Barony, St Rollox, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Learn more Print transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Mary Barclay Head Widow Female 50 1841 Housekeeper Macduff, Banffshire, Scotland Transcription Charles Barclay Son Unmarried Male 24 1867 Coachman Midlothian, Scotland Transcription Mary J Barclay Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1869 Book Folder Midlothian, Scotland Transcription Margaret Barclay Daughter Unmarried Female 20 1871 F Winder Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription George Barclay Son - Male 15 1876 Upholsterer Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription John Barclay Son - Male 12 1879 Message Boy Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription Robert Barclay Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription David Barclay Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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5 May 2016 15:15 |
probably not them but posting just in case
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Parliamentary Road, Barony, St Rollox, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Learn more Print transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Mary Barclay Head Widow Female 50 1841 Housekeeper Macduff, Banffshire, Scotland Transcription Charles Barclay Son Unmarried Male 24 1867 Coachman Midlothian, Scotland Transcription Mary J Barclay Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1869 Book Folder Midlothian, Scotland Transcription Margaret Barclay Daughter Unmarried Female 20 1871 F Winder Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription George Barclay Son - Male 15 1876 Upholsterer Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription John Barclay Son - Male 12 1879 Message Boy Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription Robert Barclay Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription David Barclay Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription Census details First name(s) David Last name Barclay Relationship Son Marital status - Gender Male Age 9 Birth year 1882 Occupation Scholar Birth town Glasgow Birth town as transcribed GLASGOW Birth county Lanarkshire Birth county as transcribed LANARKSHIRE Birth place Scotland Birth place other as transcribed SCOTLAND Street Parliamentary Road Town - Parish Barony City - County Lanarkshire Registration district St Rollox Archive reference RG12 Piece number - Folio - Page - Record set 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Category Census, land & surveys Subcategory Census Collections from Great Britain
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5 May 2016 15:16 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 7, Burnside Street, City, Milton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Learn more Print transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Mary Barclay Head Widow Female 38 1843 - Macduff, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Transcription William Barclay Son Unmarried Male 17 1864 Carter Banff, Banffshire, Scotland Transcription Alexander Barclay Son Unmarried Male 15 1866 Coachman Banff, Banffshire, Scotland Transcription Charles Barclay Son - Male 13 1868 Message Boy Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Transcription Mary Barclay Daughter - Female 11 1870 - Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Transcription Margaret Barclay Daughter - Female 8 1873 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription George Barclay Son - Male 5 1876 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription John Innes Son - Male 3 1878 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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5 May 2016 15:22 |
Name: Alexander Barclay Gender: Male Christening Date: Christening Place: Birth Date: 26 Jan 1865 Birthplace: BANFF,BANFF,SCOTLAND Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: William Barclay Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Mary Mc Intosh Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11147-1 System Origin: Scotland-ODM GS Film number: 6035516 Reference ID:
Citing this Record: "Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYB3-Z86 : accessed 5 May 2016), Alexander Barclay, 26 Jan 1865; citing BANFF,BANFF,SCOTLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 6,035,516.
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Maddie
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5 May 2016 15:25 |
William Barclay mentioned in the record of William Barclay and Mary Mcintosh Name William Barclay Spouse's Name Mary Mcintosh Event Date 28 Jul 1860 Event Place Banff,Banff,Scotland Citing this Record
"Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT2G-YP5 : accessed 5 May 2016), William Barclay and Mary Mcintosh, 28 Jul 1860; citing Banff,Banff,Scotland, reference ; FHL microfilm 6,035,516.
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Christine
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5 May 2016 16:11 |
Hi Maddie, yes thats them,she was a widow for a lot of years and had at least 3 children by different fathers,thank you for your help.Chris
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Dea
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5 May 2016 16:54 |
There is this one who was in the area around the right time and he is a Copper smith:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 18, Dover Street, Barony, Kelvin, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Learn more Print transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Angus Head Married Male 51 1830 Grain Weigher Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland Transcription Margaret Angus Wife Married Female 52 1829 - Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland Transcription Alexander Angus Son Unmarried Male 17 1864 File Cutter Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription Margaret Johnson Daughter Unmarried Female 26 1855 - England Transcription Samuel Johnson Father Unmarried Male 22 1859 Copper Smith England Transcription Alexander Boile Johnson Son Unmarried Male 7 1874 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription Elizabeth Johnson Daughter Unmarried Female 2 1879 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription David Tennant Boarder Married Male 43 1838 Iron Moulder Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland
I will see if I can trace him further.....
He is down as father of the head of household but that can't be right as his age doesn't fit so something is 'astray' here.
Dea x
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Christine
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5 May 2016 18:01 |
Hi Dea,The Johnston dosent have the T as you say also the father looks a bit dodgy at 22.Chris
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Dea
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5 May 2016 18:24 |
Sorry Chris - I hdn't noticed the 't' in your Samuel's surname.
I will look again.
Dea x
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GlasgowLass
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5 May 2016 19:14 |
Christine, When you say that you got a "revised" birth cert, what do you mean?
If the father was not in attendendance at the birth registration, and as the mother was unmarried, his name cannot be included.
Often, a paternity case was raised and, if the Sheriff then ruled that Samuel was the biological father, an RCE will be attached to the original certificate(s) . (Scotlands People) An RCE may provide additional info on Samuel
RCE :Register of Corrected Entries
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GlasgowLass
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5 May 2016 19:25 |
Thanks to my freebie credits for SP, I have looked at the births.
Samuel Johnston WAS added as the father after a paternity suit via an RCE
It's hard to read but his address at Dec 1882 is given as: 20 Charlotte Street. I'm sure it says... Dundee
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Christine
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5 May 2016 19:34 |
That is exactly what it is but the only details it gives is his address which was 20 Charlotte street,Port Dundas,I can not find him on the census at that address.Chris
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Dea
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5 May 2016 19:36 |
OOOhhh you clever girl GlasgowLass !!! - Now we have something to go on :-D
Dea x
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Dea
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5 May 2016 19:51 |
This may very well be a 'red herring' as there appear to be dozens of families living at 20 Charlotte St. but this may be worth looking to see if they ever had a connection to a Samuel? There is not one on this census though:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 20, Charlotte Street, Barony, St Rollox, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Learn more Print transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Johnstone Head Married Male 26 1855 Stoneware Potter Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription Elizabeth Johnstone Wife Married Female 25 1856 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription Elizabeth Johnstone Daughter - Female 8 1873 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription Jane Johnstone Daughter - Female 5 1876 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription Mary Johnstone Daughter - Female 3 1878 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription John Johnstone Son - Male 0 1881 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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5 May 2016 20:32 |
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 4, Bank Street & Charlott Street, Barony, Central, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Learn more Print transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Samuel Johnston Head Married Male 60 1801 Carter - Transcription Ann Johnston Wife Married Female 45 1816 - - Transcription Janet Johnston Daughter Married Female 27 1834 Cottons Factory Worker - Transcription Frances Johnston Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1843 Painter In Pottery - Transcription Samuel Johnston Son Unmarried Male 13 1848 Blacksmith - xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Transcription William Johnston Son - Male 10 1851 Scholar - Transcription Ann Johnston Daughter - Female 7 1854 - - Transcription Margerate Magregor Grand Daughter - Female 4 1857 - - Transcription John Magregor Grand Son - Male 2 1859 - -
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Christine
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5 May 2016 20:52 |
That looks very promising Dea and something to work from.I can not thank you enough for your help.Chris
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GlasgowLass
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5 May 2016 21:27 |
1861 census is very possibly the family of Samuel Johnston and Ann Hastie
Son William from 1861 and 1881 matches.
William Richardson Johnston Gender: Male Birth Date: 23 Oct 1850 Baptism Date: 24 Nov 1850 Baptism Place: Barony,Lanark,Scotland Father: Samuel Johnston Mother: Ann Hastie FHL Film Number: 1041480
Also The children named Macgregor on the 1861 census are the children of 27 yr old married Janet ( father is John McGregor)
Frances Johnston was also the child of Samuel and Ann: Frances Johnston Gender: Female Birth Date: 2 Mar 1843 Birth Place: Barony,Lanark,Scotland Father: Samuel Johnston Mother: Ann Hastie
Other children of Samuel Johnston and Ann Hastie which relates to 1861 census Ann Johnston b 19 Apr 1840 Catherine Johnston b 21 Mar 1845
found the family at 1851: 117 Maitland Street, Glasgow
Samuel Johnston 40 B Glasgow Ann Johnston 34 B Cathcart Fanny Johnston 8 Samuel Johnston 3 William Johnston 5 Mo
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