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31 Mar 2016 14:55 |
afternoon all
can I have some help with finding Barnes family in 1881 1891 please ..
Edward Barnes b norforlk 1843 m Annie ( on daughter mary lily b cert says late Bowman formally Hodgson ) had children George R 1875 Thomas1877 Annie 1884 Florence 1890 Mary Lily 1892-1945 (my line ) ( have her family info )
Edward in 1901 age 58 living sunderland 20 henry St east with wife Annie 47 children George r 26 Thomas 24 Annie L 17 Florence 11 Mary L 9
in 1911 Florence and Mary L are living as servants with adopted bought parents at east Hendon rd sunderland
can anyone help find Edward and family in 1891or even earlier please
Christine x
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31 Mar 2016 15:12 |
Just to help place them
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Edward Barnes Age: 58 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Annie Barnes Birth Place: Great Massingham, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Sunderland Ecclesiastical parish: Hendon St Ignatius the Martyr County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address:
Occupation: -
Registration district: Sunderland Sub-registration district: South Bishopwearmouth ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4714 Folio: 75 Page Number: 9 Household schedule number: 45
Edward Barnes 58 - River Commisioners Carter Annie Barnes 47 - b Durham, Houghton Gate George R Barnes 26 b Durham, Sunderland Thomas Barnes 24 b- ditto Annie L Barnes 17 - ditto has Hip Disease Florence Barnes 11 - b ditto Mary L Barnes 9 - b ditto
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Maddie
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31 Mar 2016 15:16 |
for ref 1901
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 20, Henry Street East, Town, Sunderland, Durham, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Edward Barnes Head Married Male 58 1843 River Commercial Cartman Great Massingham, Norfolk, England Transcription Annie Barnes Wife Married Female 47 1854 - Durham, England Transcription George R Barnes Son Single Male 26 1875 Navvy River Commisioner Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription Thomas Barnes Son Single Male 24 1877 Cartman On Farm Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription Annie L Barnes Daughter Single Female 17 1884 - Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription Florence Barnes Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription Mary L Barnes Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Sunderland, Durham, England
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31 Mar 2016 15:17 |
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Mar 1882 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BARNES Edward Sunderland 10a 771 Bowman Annie Sunderland 10a 771
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31 Mar 2016 15:17 |
I wonder if Edward had been married before? This looks like a possibility for Edward in the 1881 census but the wife doesn't look right:-
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 14, Green Ter West, Bishop Wearmouth, Sunderland, Durham, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Ed Barnes Head Married Male 36 1845 General Labourer Great Massingham, Norfolk, Louise Mary Barnes Wife Married Female 40 1841 General Labourer Wife Nottinghamshire, England Hannah Angnes Barnes Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar - Eliz Barnes Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar - Ed Barnes Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England Geo Robt Barnes Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England Thos Barnes Son Single Male 4 1877 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription
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31 Mar 2016 15:20 |
Coming to the same conclusion Kath. There aren't that many Edward Barnes born Great Massingham who lived in Durham
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31 Mar 2016 15:22 |
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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 14, Green Ter West, Bishop Wearmouth, Sunderland, Durham, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Ed Barnes Head Married Male 36 1845 General Labourer Great Massingham, Norfolk, England Transcription Louise Mary Barnes Wife Married Female 40 1841 General Labourer Wife Nottinghamshire, England Transcription Hannah Angnes Barnes Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar - Transcription Eliz Barnes Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar - Transcription Ed Barnes Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription Geo Robt Barnes Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription Thos Barnes Son Single Male 4 1877 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription Census details First name(s) Thos Last name Barnes Relationship Son Marital status Single Gender Male Age 4 Birth year 1877 Occupation Scholar Birth town Sunderland Birth town as transcribed SUNDERLAND Birth county Durham Birth county as transcribed DURHAM Birth place England House number 14 Street Green Ter West Town - Parish Bishop Wearmouth County Durham Country England Registration district Sunderland Archive reference RG11 Piece number 4993 Folio 99 Page 1 Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Category Census, land & surveys Subcategory Census Collections from Great Britain
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31 Mar 2016 15:23 |
Same family in 1871
Edward Barnes Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Lois M Barnes Gender: Male Where born: Massingham, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Ryhope Ecclesiastical parish: Ryhope St Paul Town: Ryhope County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Sunderland Sub-registration district: South Bishop Wearmouth ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Household schedule number: 88 Piece: 5011 Folio: 38 Page Number: 14
Edward Barnes 28 Lois M Barnes 28 Hannah A Barnes 2 Elizabeth Barnes 3 Months Matthew Barnes 18
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31 Mar 2016 15:26 |
poss could be them ...
Christine x
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Maddie
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31 Mar 2016 15:30 |
Name: Edward Barnes Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Marriage Date: 20 May 1866 Marriage Place: St. Hilda, South Shields, Durham, England Father: William Barnes Spouse: Lois Mary Maltby FHL Film Number: 1894151 Reference ID: 265
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Christine
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31 Mar 2016 15:32 |
I have annie L born who was born 1884 middle name as lois which could have been after Edwards first wife ..
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safc
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31 Mar 2016 15:33 |
England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription Print transcription First name(s) Edward Last name Barnes Name note - Marriage year 1866 Marriage date 20 May 1866 Marriage place South Shields Father's first name(s) William Father's last name Barnes Spouse's first name(s) Lois Mary Spouse's last name Maltby Spouse's age 0 Spouse's father's first name(s) John Spouse's father's last name Maltby Residence South Shields, Durham, England County Durham Country England Record set England Marriages 1538-1973 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain
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31 Mar 2016 15:34 |
????? Name: Lois Barnes Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Registration Year: 1881 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 40 Registration district: Stockton Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Durham Volume: 10a Page: 52
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31 Mar 2016 15:37 |
? Name: Annie Lola Barnes Registration Year: 1884 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district: Sunderland Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Durham Volume: 10a Page: 582 Cancel
Name: Annie Lois Barnes Estimated birth year: abt 1884 Registration Year: 1903 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Age at Death: 19 Registration district: Sunderland Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Durham Volume: 10a Page: 355
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Christine
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31 Mar 2016 15:45 |
so it does look like he was married before to lois/louise mary who died 1881..then he married annie in 1882 ..am I on the same path ..lol.
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Christine
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31 Mar 2016 16:20 |
just found a poss death for Edward in sunderland 1902 ..
so therefore that maybe the reason the 2 younger children Florence and mary were put up for adoption ??
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KathleenBell
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31 Mar 2016 16:30 |
That sounds like a reasonable assumption.
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31 Mar 2016 16:33 |
The 1881 census says that Lois Mary Maltby is born on Goatam, Notts
Births Sep 1840 (>99%) Maltby Lois Mary Basford 15 460
This registration would cover Gotham - pronounced as spelt in the census not as in Gotham (Goth - am) City in the Batman stories.
Here in 1841 with Father John as per marriage record posted by safc
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Gotham, Basford, Nottinghamshire, England
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place John Maltby Male 35 1806 Nottinghamshire, England <<<<Tailor Mary Maltby Female 35 1806 Nottinghamshire, England Elizabeth Maltby Female 10 1831 Nottinghamshire, England Silas Maltby Male 10 1831 Nottinghamshire, England Ann Maltby Female 5 1836 Nottinghamshire, England Lois Maltby Female 0 1841 Nottinghamshire, England Ann Cross Female 40 1801 Nottinghamshire, England Samuel Cross Male 15 1826 Nottinghamshire, England Charles Cross Male 5 1836 Nottinghamshire, England
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Christine
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31 Mar 2016 16:34 |
thanks so much for that :-)
Christine x
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1 Apr 2016 00:57 |
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-dict/england MASSINGHAM, GREAT (All Saints), a parish, in the union and hundred of Freebridge-Lynn, W. division of Norfolk, 2½ miles (N. W.) from Rougham
There are no hits rego'ed in Freebridge-Lynn at FreeBMD, so his birth wasn't rego'ed.
Using http://www.freereg.org.uk/ County Norfolk Place Great Massingham Church name St Mary Register type Parish Register Register entry number 98 Baptism date 29 Oct 1843 Person forename Edward Person sex M Father forename William Father surname BARNES Father occupation Labourer Mother forename Ann
This image isn't indexed yet at (sim marr isn't either): https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1416598?collectionNameFilter=false so you have to "Browse through 293,156 images", but it's easy with the FreeREG info.
1851 William Barnes Head M 36 Massingham, Norfolk Ann Barnes Wife F 33 Ashill, Norfolk Edward Barnes Son M 7 Massingham, Norfolk William Barnes Son M 5 Massingham, Norfolk Matthew Barnes Son M 3 Massingham, Norfolk Hannah Barnes Daughter F 6 MOS Massingham, Norfolk
Marriages Dec 1841 (>99%) BARNES William Freebridge Lynn 13 381 Scan available - click to view CODLING Ann Freebridge Lynn 13 381
County Norfolk Place Great Massingham Church name St Mary Register type Parish Register Register entry number 23 Marriage date 30 Nov 1841 Groom forename William Groom surname BARNES Groom age 21 Groom condition Bachelor Groom occupation Labourer Bride forename Ann Bride surname CODLING Bride age 21 Bride condition Spinster Bride occupation Servant Groom father forename William Groom father surname SADDLETON Groom father occupation Labourer Bride father forename Matthew Bride father surname CODLING Bride father occupation Labourer Witness1 forename George Witness1 surname CODLING Witness2 forename Elzaibeth Witness2 surname BARNES Notes He Signs X. She Signs X.
[NB "Register entry number 23" makes the search easy]
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