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14 Dec 2015 10:58 |
My efforts to trace the Woolham family back, in Bradford, have met with a problem.
The 1881 census I have includes my target George Frederick Arthur
1881 William WOOLHAM Head M Male 55 Whitchurch, Shropshire, England Shoemaker Mary Ann WOOLHAM Wife M Female 52 Shipton, York, England Housewife G.F.A. WOOLHAM Son U Male 18 Bradford, York, England Brick Layer Frances M.B. WOOLHAM Dau Female 16 Bradford, York, England Worsted Twister Mary WOOLHAM Dau Female 14 Bradford, York, England Spinner Factory Eliza WOOLHAM Dau Female 12 Bradford, York, England Spinner Factory Joshua WOOLHAM Son Male 10 Bradford, York, England Spinner Factory Dwelling: 5 Margerison Street, Bradford, Yorkshire
My problem is that his prents are somewhat old for G F A to be their oldest child and in fact there are quite a lot more to choose from in FreeBMD for the years when the parents are the right age and a marriage to match. Unfortunately there are 2 Mary Ann and I wondered if the 1851 + 1861 could solve these mysteries?
Marriages Sep 1848 Woolham William Bradford Yk 23 109
Poole Mary Ann Bradford Y 23 109
Farrar Mary Ann Bradford Y 23 109
Many thanks, Frances
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14 Dec 2015 11:08 |
William Woolham
in the 1851 England Census Record Image View
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Name: William Woolham Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Relation: Lodger Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Woolham Gender: Male Where born: Whitechurch, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Bradford Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: Bradford County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Bradford West End ED, institution, or vessel: 34 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 10 Piece: 2308 Folio: 712 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Poole 51 Ann Poole 50 Martha Poole 19 Matthew Poole 15 Jane Poole 13 Tolson Poole 10 William Woolham 25 Mary Ann Woolham 22 Sarah Ann Woolham 1 Thomas Wm Woolham 2 Mo Joshua Poole 24 Mary Poole 18
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14 Dec 2015 11:10 |
William Woolham married Mary Ann Poole.
Name: William Woolham Shoemaker. Birth Year: abt 1825 Age: 23 Marriage or Bann Date: 2 Jul 1848 Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral), Yorkshire, England Search Photos: Search for 'Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Spouse: Mary Ann Poole age 21 Father: William Woolham - Labourer Spouse Father: Thomas Poole - Saddler Cancel
William Waddington married Mary Ann Farrar on the same day at the same church.
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14 Dec 2015 11:10 |
1851
Name:William Woolham Age:25 Estimated birth year:abt 1826 Relation:Lodger Spouse's Name:Mary Ann Woolham Gender:Male Where born:Whitechurch, Shropshire, England Civil Parish:Bradford Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town:Bradford County/Island:Yorkshire Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district:Bradford Sub-registration district: Bradford West End ED, institution, or vessel34 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number:10 Piece:2308 Folio:712 Page Number:3 Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Poole 51 Ann Poole 50 Martha Poole 19 Matthew Poole 15 Jane Poole 13 Tolson Poole 10 William Woolham 25 Mary Ann Woolham 22 Sarah Ann Woolham 1 Thomas Wm Woolham 2 Mo Joshua Poole 24 Mary Poole 18 Andy
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14 Dec 2015 11:17 |
Same family in 1871:
William Woolham
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Name: William Woolham Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary A Woolham Gender: Male Where born: Whitschurch, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Bradford Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: Bradford County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Bradford West End ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 157 Piece: 4463 Folio: 19 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age William Woolham 45 Mary A Woolham 43 Matthew H Woolham 17 Margaret H Woolham 15 Emma Woolham George F Woolham 8 Arthur Woolham Francis M B Wookam 6 Mary Woulham 4 Eliza Woolham 2 Joshua Woolham 2 Months
Curiously the names Emma and Arthur have nothing in relationship column nor age and both names have been crossed out.
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Frances
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14 Dec 2015 11:19 |
Thank you Margee, Dea and Andy, mystery solved and the extra siblings found.
I was busy replying to Andy;s post on one of my other threads!
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Frances
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14 Dec 2015 16:13 |
I have been trying to find Mary Ann Woolhams (nee Poole) birth in IGI without success and I wondered whether she specified a place of birth in the 1851 census please and was her father, Thomas Poole - Sadler still alive in that census?
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14 Dec 2015 16:20 |
Mary Ann and family from 1841. Thomas is a Saddler so looks correct
Thomas is on the 1851 census record already posted
Name:Mary Ann Poole Age:12 Estimated birth year:abt 1829 Gender:Female Where born:Yorkshire, England Civil Parish:Skipton Hundred:Staincliff and Ewcross (East Division) County/Island:Yorkshire Country:England Street address: Occupation: View image Registration district:Skipton Sub-registration district:Skipton Neighbors: View others on page Piece:1318 Book:11 Folio:34 Page Number:19 Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Poole 41 Ann Poole 40 Thomas Poole 19 Joshua Poole 15 Mary Ann Poole 12 Martha Poole 9 Matthew Poole 5 Jane Poole 3 Jolson Poole 11 Mo Andy
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Andrew
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14 Dec 2015 16:25 |
This could be baptism for Mary
Name:Mary Ann Poole Gender:Female Baptism Date1 Mar 1829 Baptism Place:Skipton, York, England Father: Thomas Poole Mother: Ann FHL Film Number: 919156 Reference ID:331
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14 Dec 2015 16:26 |
Mary Ann's place of birth on the 51 census is Skipton, Yorkshire.
Thomas was born Applethwaite, Cumberland.
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safc
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14 Dec 2015 16:30 |
Yorkshire Baptisms Transcription Print transcription View image First name(s) Mary Ann Last name Poole Birth year 1829 Birth date 03 Feb 1829 Baptism year 1829 Baptism date 01 Mar 1829 Baptism place Skipton, Holy Trinity Denomination Anglican Father's first name(s) Thomas Mother's first name(s) Ann County Yorkshire (North Riding) Country England Archive North Yorkshire County Record Office Archive reference PR/SKP (HT) 1/13 Page 332 Record set Yorkshire Baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms Collections from Great Britain
thomas is a saddler
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14 Dec 2015 16:32 |
Thomas is still alive on the 61 census:
Thomas Poole
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Name: Thomas Poole Age: 61 Estimated birth year: 1800 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Poole Gender: Male Where born: Applethorpe, Cumberland, England Civil Parish: Bradford Town: Bradford County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Bradford West End ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 27 Piece: 3322 Folio: 38 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Poole 61 Ann Poole 60 Jane Poole 23 Tolson Poole 21 Faith Ann Poole 4
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Frances
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14 Dec 2015 16:35 |
Thank you Margee, the little grey cells must have been short of coffee this morning when I looked at the 1851 census. I recognised that the newly weds and their children were lodgers but the fact they were Mary Ann's family didn't register - sorry
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14 Dec 2015 16:38 |
A possible for his death
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1881 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- POOLE Thomas 81 Bradford, Y. 9b 80
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Frances
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14 Dec 2015 16:41 |
Apologies safc for not acknowledging your post, I think the cold must still be effecting my mental performance!
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MargaretM
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14 Dec 2015 16:44 |
I don't know why they list them as lodgers when it should be daughter and son-in-law but I've seen it done that way quite often.
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14 Dec 2015 16:53 |
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Quaker Place, Skipton, Yorkshire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place Thomas Poole Male 41 1800 - Transcription Ann Poole Female 40 1801 - Transcription Thomas Poole Male 19 1822 - Transcription Joshua Poole Male 15 1826 Yorkshire, England Transcription Mary Ann Poole Female 12 1829 Yorkshire, England Transcription Martha Poole Female 9 1832 - Transcription Matthew Poole Male 5 1836 - Transcription Jane Poole Female 3 1838 Yorkshire, England Transcription Tolson Poole Male 0 1841 Yorkshire, England
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14 Dec 2015 16:54 |
Births Sep 1840 (>99%) Poole Tolson Skipton 23 568
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14 Dec 2015 17:06 |
Thank you safc and Margee - I have never seen the Christian name Tolson before!
Plus I have just seen your post Andy - trying to slip it in under my radar ?
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16 Dec 2015 11:48 |
Just to complete the set - William & Mary Ann in 1861:
William Woolham in the 1861 England Census Name: William Woolham Age: 35 Estimated birth year: 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary A Woolham Gender: Male Where born: Whitchurch, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Bradford Town: Bradford County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Bradford West End ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 45 Piece: 3322 Folio: 21 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age William Woolham 35 Mary A Woolham 32 Thomas W Woolham 10 Sarah A Woolham 11 Matthew Hy Woolham 7 Mary J Woolham 5 Hannah Woolham 9/12 Henry Taylor 19 - boarder
At first I thought this was the birth and death of the daughter Hannah, as the DOB fits with her being 9 months in 1861 census:
Margaret Hannah Emma Woolham in the West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 Name: Margaret Hannah Emma Woolham Birth Date: 12 Jun 1860 Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral) Baptism Date: 4 Jul 1860 Father: William Woolham Mother: Mary Ann Woolham
Margaret H E Woolham in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Margaret H E Woolham Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Registration Year: 1879 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 19 Registration district: Bradford Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 9b Page: 84
Looking again at the 1871 posted earlier by Margee, the Margaret H in the transcription, is actually Margaret H E on the image - but the age is given as 15, when she should be 10 or 11.
So I think the age on 1871 census is wrong, and that Margaret H E is the Hannah in 1861,as well as the Emma in 1871, as the birth and death records agree with her age in 1861.
I think the crossed out Emma in the line below Margaret is a repeat entry for her, as she may have been known by her middle name of Emma.
Similarly, George F in 1871 is actually George F A, so he will be the Arthur who has been crossed out in the line below.
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