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Oh dear. But thank you
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this could be hubert as he is not in 1891 census

Deaths Jun 1882 (>99%)
Ford Hubert 3 Birmingham 6d 2

Thank you for checking these out!
Have checked the family search indexes and it appears that this is not the family.
Will follow up the UK lead

Thank you all
Regards
Jayne
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And in 1881:

Name:Patrick Ford
Age:11
Estimated birth year:abt 1870
Relationship to Head:Son
Father:James Ford
Mother:Cariline Ford
Where born:Birmingham
Civil Parish:Birmingham
285 Icknield Port Rd

James Ford 48
Cariline Ford 46
Ellen Ford 21
James Ford 15
Elizabeth Ford 13
Patrick Ford 11
William Ford 9
Richard Ford 6
Hubert Ford 3

Could this be the family in 1891 - still in Birmingham?

James Ford
Age:60
Estimated birth year:abt 1831
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Catherine Ford
Gender:Male
Where born:Ireland
Civil Parish:Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish:Christchurch
Town:Birmingham

James Ford 60
Catherine Ford 54
Ellen Ford 31
Patrick Ford 20
Richard Ford 15
James Ford 25

This from familysearch - is there a connection to the Bates in the 1871:

Name Katherine V. Bates
Event Type Death
Event Date 05 Feb 1906
Event Place Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Gender Female
Race White
Age 31
Birth Year (Estimated) 1875
Birth Date 19 Jul 1874
Birthplace Phila
Marital Status Single
Father's Name John Bates
Father's Birthplace Ireland
Mother's Name Catherine Ford
Mother's Birthplace Ireland
Occupation Shirt Maker
Burial Place New Cathedral

I think all those US censuses are free on familysearch.

The 1880 census is free on familysearch. Have looked but the family don't seem to be on it.

I have just looked again and in the U.S. There seems to be censuses for Catherine Ford in 1880, 1900, and 1910. Is anyone able to have a look please?
Thanking you in advance
Jayne
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just cant find any of the family imigrating to america

Thanks will take a look. Need to upgrade ancestry to worldwide!

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There is a tree on Ancestry which has Catherine as Catherine Murrin, b25 Apr 1828 in Rathanigan, Co Kildare, Ireland, parents Thomas Murrin & Mary O'Connell, d 1907 Braddock, Allegheny Pa. James parents Rorry Ford & Honour Kelly. No sources are given.

Not sure. Especially as there is an 1880 census in the U.S.A. that looks like the family but unfortunately I can't access those records! Thanks for looking.
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could this be james's death

Deaths Mar 1893 (>99%)
ford James 65 Coventry 6d 343

Deaths Sep 1905 (>99%)
FORD Catherine 70 Birmingham 6d 4

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Good girl! ;-)

Thanks. I did try! Will try again! <3

You have doubled posted this thread Jayne.......to avoid duplicate research, perhaps you could delete the other one.

Prickles. :-)

Thank you missed that! <3

Here they are in 1871.....

James Ford in the 1871 England Census
Name:James Ford
Age:42
Estimated birth year:abt 1829
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Catherine Ford
Gender:Male
Where born:Ireland
Civil Parish:Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish:St John
County/Island:Warwickshire
Country:England
Registration district:Birmingham
Sub-registration district:Lady Wood

Household Members:

James Ford 42 (Labourer)
Catherine Ford 35 Roscommon, Ireland
Maria Ford 14
Sarah A Ford 12
Helen Ford 11
Catherine Ford 8
James Ford 4
Eliza Ford 2
Baby (Not Named) Ford 4 Days
John Bates 37
Helen Bates 25

John and Helen Bates are down as brother in law and sister in law........but looking at the image, they are living in the next property.