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I have just spoken to Michelle (grand daughter of Albert Stanley McCarthy) and he is the same Sergeant Albert Stanley McCarthy died 07/07/1946 and buried at Abney Park. So according to the CWGC transcript found by Londonbelle, I have been looking for the wrong parents, will now have to get the birth cert for Albert, like I should have done in the first place. When will I learn you can't cut corners with genealogy. Thanks all once again for your wise words.

Thanks for all your help will take me awhile to go through it all and I will speak to Gt Grand daughter of Thomas, Albert Stanley McCarthy was her grandfather and there were certainly some burials at Abney Park. Michelle McCarthy( Grand daughter of Albert) does not know much about her McCarthy ancestors, which is reason for my research.

http://www.scan2.ca/stk/stk1785.html

(putting reference numbers for Margaret on google, brings above, also a John
William)

(Grave Number 178574)

Chris :)

Thank you Gritty & Sylvia

Londonbelle ......


that looks really good!

Joseph & Mary in 1911

Name: Joseph McCarthy
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
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County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 77 Bacon St, Bethnal Green R
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 7
Estimated Marriage Year: 1904
Occupation: FLOWER HAWKER
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Registration District Number: 17
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Piece: 1441
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph McCarthy 28
Margaret McCarthy 30
Joseph McCarthy 4
John McCarthy 2
Ellen McCarthy 1

Margaret's children Charlotte & Henry are living with an Aunt in 1911.

Margaret in 1901 census

Name: Sibylla M Toxall
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Shoreditch, London, England
Civil Parish: Hackney
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew Hoxton
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
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Piece: 227
Folio: 126
Page Number: 60
Household schedule number: 366
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexandrinia Hayes 46
Sarah Hayes 18
Henry F Hayes 16
Alexandrine Hayes 14
Richard Toxall 24
Sibylla M Toxall 21 occ Flower Seller Hawker
Charlotte A Toxall 3
Henry K Toxall 10/12

That looks like Margaret's burial, Chris. I see there is a Joseph too buried 30 April 1943 aged 61 years that looks right too.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~abneypark/name/names-mcc000.html

(some McCarthy on above Abney Park, possibly relating)

Burial. McCarthy, Margaret Sybella 30 nov 1951 71y 178574 M06 8S10

Chris :)

Looks good Londonbelle!

:-D

I'm going to throw another McCarthy/Hayes marriage into the ring.

It is that of Joseph McCarthy and Sibylla Margaret Yoxall nee Hayes in Mar Qtr 1930 which I think could be the Joseph & Margaret mentioned above.

This is how I have come to my conclusion:

Sibylla Margaret Hayes was born in Mar Qtr 1880 Shoreditch

Sibylla Margaret married Richard Yoxall in Mar Qtr 1897 in Shoreditch.
Sibylla & Richard had two children Charlotte Agnes and Henry Richard.

Henry Richard Yoxall was born in 1900 and he joined the Army on 10 June 1918.
Henry gave his Mother, Mrs Margaret Yoxall, 55 Pritchard's Road, Hackney as his Next of Kin.

On the 1920 Electoral Roll
Joseph and Margaret McCarthy are living at 55 Prichard's Road.

Margaret's husband Richard Yoxall dies in Mar Qtr 1928 in Poplar.

So I am thinking that perhaps Sibylla Margaret was also known as Margaret and that she seperates from her husband Richard Yoxall.

Margaret lives with Joseph McCarthy, as wife and husband, and they have a family. Margaret marries Joseph in 1930 as she is now legally free to do so as Richard Yoxall died in 1928.

The reason why I ask is that I would have thought that if Albert was born prior to marriage his surname would be ' Hayes' and not ' McCarthy'.

Also I have found the following death on the CWGC site

Sergeant Albert Stanley McCarthy
Death 07/07/1946
Age 32
Regiment/Service No Royal Irish Fusiliers/7045457
Buried Abney Park Cemetery (located in the North London District of Stoke Newington, near the main railway station).

Additional Information: Son of Joseph & Margaret McCarthy; husband of Alice McCarthy, Islington

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1339456

(looks to relate)

Nicola Report 14 Apr 2014 23:04

Looking for family of Albert S McCarthy born 1914 Bethnal Green, I think Albert's parents were Thomas McCarhty and Johannah Hayes married in 1918, Shoreditch.
Any help with finding siblings of Albert or finding parents Thomas McCarhty and Johannah Hayes on 1911 census, they must of been in the Bethnal Green area?

Chris :)

Can I ask how you know that Albert Stanley B 1914 is the son of Thomas & Johannah?

I asked if Thomas served in WW1 because that could explain the years between the birth of their child in 1914 and their marriage in 1918.

I would have expected that wold possibly have been at least one or two more children during those 4 years if he had been still in England, or an earlier marriage.

Thanks all, waiting on marriage cert, just thought I would do some inquiries while waiting...Confused about the distance between where Johannah was living in 1911 and her marriage in Shoreditch. I know London well and Southwark and Shoreditch are by no means close to each other. Will be patient and wait for the cert.
Thanks for all your help.

his marriage cert would say he's age

I take it this is Johanna's family?


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
22 Balin Place Long Lane Boro, Southwark St George the Martyr, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Jas Hayes Head Married Male Foreman Boro Council 54 1857 Tipperary Ireland
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Johannah Hayes Wife Married Female - 55 1856 Tipperary Ireland
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Garreth Hayes Son Single Male Clerk London 22 1889 London Boro
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James Hayes Son Single Male Unemployed 20 1891 London Boro
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Johannah Hayes Daughter Single Female Bookfolder 19 1892 London Boro
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Daniel Hayes Son Single Male - 10 1901 London Boro


Can you please let us know all the details from the MC including ages, father's name, occupation and who the witnesses were please?

did Thomas serve in WW1?

As you mention Albert born Bethnal green, there is also this birth

Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
McCarthy Percival F Hayes Bethnal G. 1c 310

and his death



First name(s) PERCIVAL F
Last name MCCARTHY
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1912
Age 48
Death quarter 2
Death year 1960
District SHOREDITCH
County London
Volume 5D
Page 455
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain