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Found the birth of these twigs on freebmd. The image does does confirm.

Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
Long Lawrenson L Crisp Towcester 3b 17
Long Leonard L Crisp Towcester 3b 17

Although there is a marriage and death for Lawrenson L, there doesn't seem to be anything else for Leonard L

Name: Lawrenson Luton Long
Birth Date: 24 Apr 1916
Date of Registration: Jan 2001 - 2 Jan from Probate site
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Chesterfield
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Register Number: C62E
District and Subdistrict: 3931C
Entry Number: 272

Any suggestions? :-S
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May have to go off line for a bit, but will be back.

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) LEONARD LUTON
Last name LONG
Gender Male
Birth day 4
Birth month 4
Birth year 1916
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1989
District NORTHAMPTON
Register number 1189
County Northamptonshire
Volume 7
Page 2780
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Thank you safc. Strange that he has a different day of birth! Can you (or anyone else) spot a different Long/Crisp marriage in case they have different parents?

The ones I have are

County Northamptonshire
Place Piddington
Church name St John the Baptist
Register type
Register entry number 364
Marriage date 12 Dec 1904

Groom forename Arthur Richard
Groom surname LONG
Groom age 29
Groom condition bachelor
Groom parish Piddington
Groom occupation Labourer

Bride forename Edith Francis Louisa
Bride surname CRISP
Bride age 25
Bride condition spinster
Bride parish Belvedere KEN

Groom father forename Walter
Groom father surname LONG
Groom father occupation Labourer
Bride father forename George
Bride father surname CRISP
Bride father occupation Labourer

Witness1 forename Arthur Cornelius
Witness1 surname HASTINGS
Witness2 forename Georgina Prestidge
Witness2 surname HASTINGS

(Following the Long line)
[ Sorry, got confused - the CRISP line]

Several trees on ancestry have those parents. Curiosly, none have leonard. But the luton surely confirms they were twins. Obviously one of the informants got the date of birth wrong. The fact they have the same index entry also must mean they were twins

Jude

hes marriage
Leonard L Long
mentioned in the record of Plowman and Leonard L Long
Name Leonard L Long
Event Type Marriage Registration
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1960
Registration District Peterborough
County Northamptonshire
Event Place Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911) Plowman
Volume 3B
Page 1752
Line Number 98

Leonard L Long probably married one of the following people
Name Judith A Plowman

Thank you maylon - that's very useful

Jude - thats one reason why I got confused. At first I thought the birth regs were transcriptions ON the index for the same birth. If we accept that they were different people, then it would seem they were probably twins

just put this on to show the birth date


Leonard Luton Long
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name Leonard Luton Long
Event Type Death Registration
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1989
Registration District Northampton
County Northamptonshire
Event Place Northampton, Northamptonshire, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969) 04 Apr 1916
Volume 7
Page 2780

looks like he's wife born 1942 peterborough years younger then him

The only Judith Plowmans born (4 on GRO index) are this side of 1940 - one - Judith A in 1942 Peterborough RD and the other Judith A in 1945 Kettering RD. The P'B one would be in a good place for the 1960 wedding posted, but aged 17 to Leonard a 43 year old? I know it has happened!

Am not seeing a Plowman to Judith marriage prior to that on the GRO index

this must be he's first marriage

Leonard I Long
mentioned in the record of Beech and Leonard I Long
Name Leonard I Long
Event Type Marriage Registration
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1938
Registration District Northampton
County Northamptonshire
Event Place Northampton, Northamptonshire, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911) Beech
Volume 3B
Page 187
Line Number 122

Leonard I Long probably married one of the following people


Name Eva M Beech


2 children born to this marriage 1938 an 1939 northampton

Births Dec 1916 (>99%)
Beech Eva M Cornish Northampton 3b 85

FMP also has that 1938 marriage as Leonard I but on freebmd it shows as Leonard L

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

Marriages Sep 1938 (>99%)
Beech Eva M Long Northampton 3b 187
Faulkner Frank E Warren Northampton 3b 187
Long Leonard L Beech Northampton 3b 187
Warren Kathleen Faulkner Northampton 3b 187

??????
Surname First name Date of probate Probate number Date of death Document type Registry
LONG EVA MARION 24 May 2013 4076509 06 March 2013 Grant and will Newcastle Upon Tyne

EDIT - probably not the correct death/probate

http://www.iannounce.co.uk (Northamptonshire newspapers)
An Eva May Long passed away 15th January 2011 aged 94. One obituary mentions 3 younger sisters whose names match some of the siblings born to the marriage Beech, mmn Cornish and the other names of one of her sons although spelt differently from birth index

Possible the other son Brian L(Leonard) died 2004 Northampton

I'm just wondering whether, as the birthdate on Lawrenson's death is 24th April, and on Leonard's death is 4th April, whether the twenty fourth got misheard as the fourth, or vice versa, or even whether the date on one was mistranscribed when compiling the index, so either the 2 got omitted, or a smudge got turned ino a 2.

A lot to think about.

Thank you so much for your research and help

Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)
Butler Louisa Ellen Hardingstone 3b 87
Butter Louisa Ellen Hardingstone 3b 87
Crisp Edith Frances L Hardingstone 3b 87
Long Arthur Richard Hardingstone 3b 87
Martin Ernest Hardingstone 3b 87


Births Mar 1907 (>99%)
LONG Harold Edward W Northampton 3b 56

Births Sep 1908 (>99%)
Long Albert Edward Hardingstone 3b 33

Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
Long John J Crisp Hardingstone 3b 48

Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
Long Lawrenson L Crisp Towcester 3b 17
Long Leonard L Crisp Towcester 3b 17

Births Sep 1919 (>99%)
Long Arthur L Crisp Daventry 3b 120

Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
Long Ronald Crisp Daventry 3b 145

There are also these possibly related events (possibly twin):
Births Dec 1905 (>99%)
Long Frank Evelyn M Hardingstone 3b 25
Deaths Mar 1906
Long Frank Evelyn M 0 Hardingstone 3b 23

Births Dec 1905 (>99%)
Long Walter Leonard G Hardingstone 3b 25
Deaths Mar 1906
LONG Walter L G 0 Hardingstone 3b 22

Births Jun 1911 (>99%)
Long Cecilia M Hardingstone 3b 32

Piece rg14/8380 was enumerated by one person (unlike earlier pieces), and covered Horton (Art & Bert) & Hackleton (Wm)
Hackleton is abt 8km SE of Northmpton; Horton is 1km SE of Hackleton, and Piddington is 1km SW of Hackleton.

Name Parent or spouse names Birth Year Birth Place Relation Residence
Arthur Richard Long Edith Francis Louisa abt 1875 location relation city, Northamptonshire
Edith Francis Louisa Long Arthur Richard abt 1880 location relation city, Northamptonshire
Harrold Arthur Long Arthur Richard,Edith Francis Louisa abt 1907 location relation city, Northamptonshire
Albert Edward Long Arthur Richard,Edith Francis Louisa abt 1909 location relation city, Northamptonshire

Albert Long Mary abt 1871 location relation city, Northamptonshire
Mary Long Albert abt 1873 location relation city, Northamptonshire

William Long Florence abt 1870 location relation city, Northamptonshire
Florence Long William abt 1871 location relation city, Northamptonshire
Sidney Long William,Florence abt 1895 location relation city, Northamptonshire
Blanche Long William,Florence abt 1899 location relation city, Northamptonshire
Keston Long William,Florence abt 1900 location relation city, Northamptonshire
Donald Long William,Florence abt 1903 location relation city, Northamptonshire
Neville Long William,Florence abt 1908 location relation city, Northamptonshire
Cyril Long William,Florence abt 1911 location relation city, Northamptonshire

My guess was such close neighbours were possibly related, maybe bros - which seems to be the case:
1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQ3K-NZS
Walter Long Head M 48 Little Compton, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Long Wife F 24 Bishop Huntington, Warwickshire, England
Charles Long Son M 21 Long Compton, Warwickshire, England
John Long Son M 18 Honington, Warwickshire, England
Benjamin Long Son M 16 Long Compton, Warwickshire, England
William Long Son M 14 Honington, Warwickshire, England
Albert Long Son M 10 Idlecoat, Warwickshire, England
Mable Mary Long Daughter F 8 Idlecoat, Warwickshire, England
Arthur Long Son M 7 Armscott, Warwickshire, England
Amy Jane Long Daughter F 1 Piddington, Northamptonshire, England

could the difference in the birth date be as simple as the fact that most information on a death certificate is only that which is known to the informant, and much of it is hearsay?

Thanks mgnv – other than the Long/Crisp births post Sep 1911, the ones on the 1911 census are

Births Mar 1907 (>99%)
LONG Harold Edward W Northampton 3b 56

Births Sep 1908 (>99%)
Long Albert Edward Hardingstone 3b 33

The 1911 census does say that they’d only had 2 children. The others possibly belong to another couple.

Births Jun 1911 (>99%)
Long Cecilia M Hardingstone 3b 32
Is worth a consideration as she might have been born after the 1911 census
………..

The 1938 marriage of Long Leonard L to Beech Eva M Northampton 3b 187 does seem a possible as a first marriage. I must admit I was a little surprised at the Long/Plowman marriage but love has no age boundaries!

Not seeing the births for the girls mentioned on the Obit of Eva Long only the 1938 & 1939 boys. What am I doing wrong?
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Without out purchasing the twins DC (or BC) certs, any of the suggestions made re the dob could be correct. As mentioned to begin with, they are 'twigs' so unless we win the lottery, it may well remain a mystery.

Everyones help is vey appreciated. Thank you

County Northamptonshire
Place Long Buckby
Church St Lawrence
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 31 Aug 1919
Forename Arthur Lewis
Sex -
FatherForename Arthur Richard
MotherForename Frances Louisa
FatherSurname LONG
MotherSurname
Abode Long Buckby Wharf
FatherOccupation shoe operator
Notes
FileNumber 21405

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Detective - have sent a PM re the "girls" names in the obituary as probably still living, but believe them to be daughter's in law.