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Maurice
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25 Jun 2015 16:52 |
My cousin was looking into that actual birth as well, but he has yet to get back to me on that one.
Interesting you should mention it also.
Regards Maurice.
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25 Jun 2015 16:43 |
Can't help wondering if the child James Alexander S Diack might have been Maggie's child, although he's registered as the child of the Diack parents.
1896 DIACK JAMES ALEXANDER M ST NICHOLAS ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/01 1474
James Alexander Stevenson Diack, born 2nd October 1896, at 98 Gerrard Street.
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25 Jun 2015 16:39 |
Thank you for the link ArgyllGran, it is most welcome in coming to understand the record.
Best wishes Maurice.
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25 Jun 2015 16:27 |
It must have been counted as an actual marriage, as it's in the official marriage register, and has the signature of the assistant registrar in the last column.
Having had another look at the marriage cert, I see it was an "irregular" marriage. Perhaps they had eloped, as she was only 19 - maybe didn't have parents' consent? The witnesses are Margaret's brother and sister.
The second last column is headed, "If a regular marriage, signature of officiating minister and witnesses. If irregular, date of . . . . Sheriff's Warrant." For their marriage, it says, "Warrant of Sheriff Substitute of Aberdeen, Kincardine & Banff, dated 27th September 1897."
At the bottom of the page, the columns are numbered, so I think the words in the left margin are "Erasure Col. 5" and initials. Column 5 is the one with the parents' names, and it does look as if there may have been a correction to the end of the name "Jane".
Interesting stuff re irregular marriages here: http://tinyurl.com/a8vapk3
As she was back living with her parents in 1901, maybe they listed her as Diack because they didn't approve of the marriage.
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25 Jun 2015 15:30 |
Thank you for all the information ArgyllGran, that is indeed Margaret on the censuses and the marriage record.
I have the marriage record but have no idea the meaning is in the left hand column but have been told the cert is a form of banns or marriage of intent.
I have not seen the original 1901 census for Margaret Ann Diack only the one off Ancestry, so thank you for the information that she is married on that one.
I find it strange that she is listed as married though in 1901 but retains her Diack surname. Perhaps she is useing the intention of marriage cert to justify that. Or perhaps that's the way they did things then in Scotland. Your input is greatly appreciated.
Best wishes Maurice.
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25 Jun 2015 14:05 |
Had a look at the 1901 census. Although Margaret's listed with surname Diack, she's listed as married.
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25 Jun 2015 13:34 |
Details from marriage cert ( not a church wedding):
27 Sept 1897, in Peterhead, by declaration in presence of John Diack, plumber, and Mary Helen Diack, fancy box maker. A Morrison, clothier, bachelor, age 21, usual residence 596 George Street, Aberdeen. Parents: Alexander Morrison, clothier, and Jane Morrison, ms Stewart.
Margaret A G Diack, machinist, spinster, age 19, usual residence 98 Gerrard Street, Peterhead. Parents: Alexander Diack, comb maker, and Margaret Ann Diack, ms Grant.
There's something written in the margin of the cert, which I can't decipher. Looks like "Erasure [?? something] 5", and something which might be initials
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25 Jun 2015 13:21 |
Marriage, with place:
1897 MORRISON ALEXANDER DIACK MARGARET A G PETERHEAD /ABERDEEN 232/01 0085
Looks like Maggie's birth:
1878 DIACK MARGARET ANN GR(ANT) F ST NICHOLAS ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/01 0947
Margaret A G Diack
in the 1881 Scotland Census Name: Margaret A G Diack Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relationship: Daughter (Child) Father's name: Alexander Diack Mother's name: Margaret Ann Diack Gender: Female Where born: Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire Registration Number: 168/1 Registration district: St Nicholas Civil Parish: Aberdeen St Nicholas County: Aberdeenshire Address: 5 Windy Wynd Occupation: Scholar ED: 59 Household schedule number: 23 LINE: 11 Roll: cssct1881_51 Household Members: Name Age Alexander Diack 25 Margaret Ann Diack 22 John Grant Diack 4 Margaret A G Diack 2 Mary H W Diack 5 Mo
Margaret A G Diack in the 1891 Scotland Census Name: Margaret A G Diack Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relationship: Daur (Child) Father's name: Alexander Diack Mother's name: Margaret A Diack Gender: Female Where born: Aberdeen Registration Number: 168/1 Registration district: St Nicholas Civil Parish: Aberdeen St Nicholas County: Aberdeenshire Address: 5 Windy Wynd Occupation: Machinist Shirtmaker ED: 52 Household schedule number: 108 LINE: 9 Roll: CSSCT1891_51 Household Members: Name Age Alexander Diack 35 Margaret A Diack 32 John G Diack 14 Margaret A G Diack 12 Mary H W Diack 10 Alexanderia Diack 8 George R Diack 3 Margaret Grant 65 - mother-in-law
But if that's her, she's still listed at home with parents, as Diack, in 1901:
Margaret Ann Diack
in the 1901 Scotland Census Name: Margaret Ann Diack Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1877 Relationship: Daur (Child) Father's name: Alexr Diack Mother's name: Margaret Ann Diack Gender: Female Where born: Aberdeen Registration Number: 168/1 Registration district: St Nicholas Civil Parish: Aberdeen St Georges in the West County: Aberdeenshire Address: 98 Gerrard St Occupation: N?? Machinist ED: 50 Household schedule number: 190 LINE: 7 Roll: CSSCT1901_54 Household Members: Name Age Alexr Diack 45 Margaret Ann Diack 42 John Janet Diack 24 - "Janet" should be Grant, I expect Margaret Ann Diack 24 Mary Helen Diack 20 Alexander Diack 18 George Bennie Diack 13 James Alexander S Diack 4
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Maurice
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25 Jun 2015 12:54 |
The death certificate for Jessie Stuart Morrison has arrived.
Details from the certificate
Jessie Stuart Fenton dod 6 August 1994
Dob 12 May 1902.
Age at death 92
Fathers name Alexander Morrison deceased salesman. Mothers name Maggie Morrison ms Diack deceased.
A marriage of intent off Scotlands people shows Alexander Morrison to a Margaret A G Diack in 1897.
Using Jessies dob for a birh in New York on Ancestry show a Margaret Morrison same dob in Manhatton.
Family search has this record and shows Margaret as the child of Alexander Morrison and Maggie Diack Morrison.
Unless there where twins Jessie is actually Margaret.
Thank you all who contrubuted.
It is greatly appreciated. Maurice.
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21 Jun 2015 19:10 |
I have ordered the death certificate for Jessie Stuart Fenton nee Morrison, it could take upto 15 days to arrive. How exciting Regards Maurice.
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Maurice
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21 Jun 2015 19:03 |
Hi Greyghost, yes it does indeed.
I am most gratefull for your contributation.
I will of course post the details when i have them.
Once again thank you for your assistance.
Best wishes Maurice.
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21 Jun 2015 18:30 |
ArgyllGran's post re death would appear to be the one I found earlier under the Morrison name, although I hadn't posted details of where etc.
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Maurice
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21 Jun 2015 18:19 |
Wow, thanks ArgyllGran. Wonderful it doe's appear to be them.
I will see if those certificates are available and will post my findings.
Best wishes Maurice.
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21 Jun 2015 17:57 |
Jessie's death:
1994 FENTON JESSIE STUART Other surname MORRISON F 92 PERTH /PERTH AND KINROSS 390/00 0560
And maybe Jack's death:
1997 FENTON JACK M 95 CRIEFF /PERTH 394/00 0077
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21 Jun 2015 16:29 |
I will have to pass that one to my cousin ArgyllGran, he has the worldwide ancestry i have the next one down.
Thank you all the same.
Maurice.
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21 Jun 2015 16:23 |
Thank you ArgyllGran, dont think i have seen this one.
Best wishes Maurice.
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21 Jun 2015 16:15 |
Following on from Yvonne's suggestion that Alexander could be Jessie's father, here's a long shot - I expect you've already investigated this:
Alexander Morrison
in the California, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1959 Name: Alexander Morrison Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1876 Birth Place: Aberdeenshire, Scotland Age: 42 Arrival Date: 15 Sep 1918 Port of Arrival: San Francisco Ship Name: Korea Maru Port of Departure: Honolulu, Hawaii Destination: San Francisco, California, USA Last Residence: Hawaii
He's married, and is a plant manager.
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21 Jun 2015 16:06 |
Yes ArgyllGran, tieen following be i have the one i have been following. They appear to have travelled all over but there does not appear to be a record of Jessie between 1903_1911 travelling unless it is mistranscibed.
Best wishes Maurice.
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21 Jun 2015 16:04 |
Jessie S Morrison in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Jessie S Morrison Gender: Female Age: 29 Birth Date: abt 1903 Departure Date: 15 Apr 1932 Port of Departure: Falmouth, England Destination Port: Abadan, Iran Ship Name: British Renown Search Ship Database: Search for the British Renown in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: British Tonker Co Official Number: 160397 Master: T B Large
UK address: 410 Gt Western Rd, Aberdeen. She's a typist.
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21 Jun 2015 15:53 |
And again, Jack Fenton and Jessie Stuart Fenton, of Hotel Stuart, Richmond Hill, Richmond, heading for Trinidad. He's a petroleum engineer:
Jack Fenton in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Name: Jack Fenton Birth Date: abt 1901 Age: 53 Port of Departure: London, England Arrival Date: 18 Jan 1954 Port of Arrival: London, England Ship Name: Braemar Castle Search Ship Database: Search for the Braemar Castle in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd Official Number: 184728
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