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Ok so here is what i know:

My great great grandmother was born Lydia Barker and her parents were Charles Barker and Elizabeth Ann Denny.

Elizabeth's birth cert states her mother as Elizabeth Denny (formerly Hutchinson previously Lorimer!) and her father as James Marshall Denny (occupation - printer). A census record, though i now can't find it, states that James was born in Scotland but no specifics.

I can't find a marriage record for him and Elizabeth, i can't find baptism records for either of them! I'm at a loss. Please help!!


Hannah x

Hello Hannah, some dates would be useful, also where they ended up living.

This must be their marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: James Marshall Denny
Spouse: Elizabeth Ann Lorimer
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 Apr 1845
Parish: St Saviour, Southwark
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: James Denny
Spouse Father: Thomas Hutchenson
Register Type: Parish Register

ADDED: Link to the image further down the thread

Is this his marriage?


England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First name(s) JAMES MARSHELL
Last name DENNY
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1845
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JAMES MARSHELL DENNY married one of these people
JEMIMA JANE GEARY, EMMA FARRANT, MARY ANN FOXEN, ELIZABETH ANN LORIMER
District ST. SAVIOUR SOUTHWARK
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 4
Page 521

His death



England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991 Transcription
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First name(s) James Marshall
Last name Denny
Gender Male
Marital status -
Occupation -
Event year 1853
Birth year 1803
Age at death 50y
Burial year 1853
Burial date 28 Apr 1853
Burial place St. Andrew'S, Holborn, Middlesex, England
Residence Gough Street
Place Holborn
County Middlesex

Image for the marriage I posted above:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/15617764

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Gough Square, Saint Bride, West London, Middlesex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Denny Head Married Male 49 1802 Printer Compositor Scotland
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Elizabeth Anne Denny Wife Married Female 38 1813 - London, Middlesex, England
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Elizabeth Anne Denny Daughter Unmarried Female 6 1845 - London, England


Possible 1841


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ashentree Court, Whitefriars Precinct, London, Middlesex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Charles Edwards Male 50 1791 -
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Ann Edwards Female 50 1791 -
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George Edwards Male 23 1818 -
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Ann Turner Female 5 1836 Middlesex, England
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>>James Denny Male 40 1801 Scotland
Compositor
Richard Neate Male 35 1806 -
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Henry Wood Male 25 1816 Middlesex, England
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Mary Wood Female 25 1816 -
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Mary Wood Female 4 1837 Middlesex, England
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Eliza Wood Female 2 1839 Middlesex, England
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Benjamin Bonehill Male 30 1811 -
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Ann Bonehill Female 30 1811 -
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Benjn Bonehill Male 3 1838 Middlesex, England
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Mary A Bonehill Female 2 1839 Middlesex, England
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- Bonehill Female 0 1841 -

Elizabeth Ann's first marriage:

Name: Elizabeth Ann Hutchinson
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 9 Mar 1834
Marriage Place: Christ Church Greyfriars Newgate,London,London,England
Spouse: William Lorimer

Looking at the Banns they both appear to be from St Leonard Foster and neither previously married.

is this Charles??
Marriages Sep 1864
Barker Charles Marylebone 1a 1082
Denny Elizabeth Marylebone 1a 1082

Name: Elizabeth Ann Hutchinson
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 8 May 1814
Father's name: Thomas Hutchinson
Mother's name: Catherine Hutchinson
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Giles without Cripplegate
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers
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Father is a Callenderer as in the marriage record.


Callenderer Smoothed cloth or paper by passing through rollers

Elizabeth Ann's baptism (father's name matches marriage link I posted at 20:46)

Name: Elizabeth Ann Hutchinson
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 24 Nov 1813
Baptism Date: 8 May 1814
Baptism Place: St Giles Cripplegate,London,London,England
Father: Thomas Hutchinson
Mother: Catherine

What on earth is a callenderer?

MC....A callenderer is someone who smoothed cloth or paper by passing it through rollers. :-)

Jude

wow what an amazing response in such a short time and yes sorry i forgot dates!!

Elizabeth Ann Denny (daughter of James & Elizabeth Denny) was born June 1845 in Blackfriars (City of London).

It's possible James was born in 1802 in Scotland and Elizabeth Lorimer in 1813 in Middlesex

Just read through all the responses and you seem to have all cracked it for me in less than hour! Thanks so much, how did you all manage to get this info? i tried freebmd, this site, geni, hell i even googled his name at one point!

Siblings for Elizabeth.

Name: Catherine Hutchinson
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Mar 1818
Father's name: Thomas Hutchinson
Mother's name: Catherine Hutchinson
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Giles without Cripplegate
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers


Name: Thomas Hutchinson
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 11 Feb 1821
Father's name: Thomas Hutchinson
Mother's name: Catharine Hutchinson
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Giles without Cripplegate
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers



Name: John Hutchinson
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 5 May 1822
Father's name: Thomas Hutchinson
Mother's name: Catharine Hutchinson
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Giles without Cripplegate
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

Hannah, the baptisms and marriage info are from Ancestry.

James Marshall Denny

mentioned in the record of George Berry Kettle and Elizabeth Denny

Name: James Marshall Denny
gender: Male
Daughter: Elizabeth Denny

Other information in the record of George Berry Kettle and Elizabeth Denny

from England Marriages, 1538–1973


Name:
George Berry Kettle

Spouse's Name:
Elizabeth Denny

Event Date:
21 Aug 1864

Event Place:
Trinity Church, Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Father's Name:
William Berry Kettle

Spouse's Father's Name:
James Marshall Denny

Marital Status:
Single

Spouse's Marital Status:
Single

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01497-8 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 580889 , Reference ID: P 85, No 169

ScotlandsPeople doesn't show any birth for a James Marshall Denny.

There's only one James Denny (or variant spelling) born 1798 -1804, but it doesn't seem likely that it's him:

14/06/1801 DENNY JAMES OLIPHANT
Parents: DAVID DENNY/CHARLOTTE OLIPHANT
FR1884 (FR1884) M GLASGOW GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 644/01 0200 0064

From familysearch (free site)

https://familysearch.org/

Birth a few years out. Posting despite variation in spelling, as Mother's maiden name seems to be Marshal, and father is named James, as per marriage cert that Marie Celeste posted

???

Name: James Dunney
Gender:Male
Christening Date:17 Jun 1798
Christening Place:CRIEFF,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Father's Name:James Dunney
Mother's Name: Christian Marshal
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11342-4 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040076

The couple seem to have children born with variant spellings of surname:

Name:William Dunney
Gender:Male
Christening Date:07 Sep 1800
Christening Place:CRIEFF,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Father's Name:James Dunney
Mother's Name:Christian Marshal
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11342-4 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number:

Name:John Denney
Gender:Male
Christening Date:27 May 1803
Christening Place:SAINT CUTHBERTS, EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date:21 May 1803
Father's Name:James Denney
Mother's Name:Christian Marshall
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11987-5 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1066755 , Reference ID: 2:18LKDT1

Name:David Dinnie
Gender:Male
Christening Date:26 Mar 1806
Christening Place:SAINT CUTHBERTS, EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date:17 Mar 1806
Father's Name:James Dinnie
Mother's Name:Christian Marshall
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11987-5 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1066755 , Reference ID: 2:18LLX60