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Baptism: 18 Sep 1870 St Thomas, Eccleston, Lancashire, England
Martha Jane Shaw - [Child] of John Shaw & Elizabeth
Born: 16 Aug
Abode: Eccleston
Occupation: Bricklayer
Baptised by: W. H. Beardsmore
Register: Baptisms 1870 - 1872, Page 9, Entry 70
Source: LDS Film 1849656

Several siblings' baptisms on LancsOPC

Baptism: 19 Jul 1874 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Martha Ellen Evans - [Child] of James Evans & Mary
Abode: Prescot
Occupation: Painter
Baptised by: Rich. J. Macnamara Off. Minister
Register: Baptisms 1870 - 1879, Page 128, Entry 1017
Source: LDS Film 1657584

RIGHT..................John Shaw Allen was the product of this marriage

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1894
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ALLEN James SHAW Martha J St Thomas Eccleston St Helens C2/6/126

Martha Jane died

Deaths Sep 1897 (>99%)
Allen Martha Jane 27 Prescot 8b 625


In 1911, James and Martha Ellen have been married for 11 years, which fits the 1899 marriage I mentioned

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1899
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ALLEN James EVANS Martha E Coldhurst, Holy Trinity Oldham CE209/4/153

From LancsOPC, which is FREE as is the Lancs BMD site


Marriage: 12 Apr 1899 Holy Trinity, Oldham, Lancashire, England
James Allen - 32, Baker, Widower, 21 Nile Street
Martha Ellen Evans - 25, Domestic Servant, Spinster, 21 Nile Street
Groom's Father: George Allen, Deceased
Bride's Father: James Evans, Painter
Witness: William Robert Evans; Mary Evans
Married by Banns by: Ifan Ll. Harry
Register: Marriages 1893 - 1911, Page 77, Entry 153
Source: LDS Family Search

So James married twice...................convenient (for him) that both wives were Martha

Any time................

It's miserable day here today, and I can't get out to tend my garden, so I thought this a good way to pass the time

here's another snippet

First name(s) JOHN SHAW
Last name ALLEN
Gender Male
Birth day 4
Birth month 10
Birth year 1895
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1984
District WEST LANCASHIRE
Register number 984
County Lancashire
Volume 40
Page 1998

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will look at all the info get it wrote down and put on my tree

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ormskirk Road, Rainford, Prescot, Lancashire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Allen Head Married Male 28 1873 Coal Carter Rainford, Lancashire, England Transcription
Ann Allen Wife Married Female 24 1877 - Rainford, Lancashire, England

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
11 Ormskirk Road Rainford, Rainford, Lancashire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Joseph Allen Head Widower Male 38 1873 Lancashire Rainford Coal Dealer Transcription
John Allen Nephew Single Male 15 1896 Lancashire Rainford Coal Bag Filler Transcription

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ormskirk Road, Rainford, Prescot, Lancashire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Allen Head Married Male 34 1867 Coal Carter Rainford, Lancashire, England Transcription
Martha E Allen Wife Married Female 27 1874 - Widnes, Lancashire, England Transcription
John S Allen Son Single Male 5 1896 - Rainford, Lancashire, England Transcription
Martha E Allen Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - Rainford, Lancashire, England Transcription
James Allen Son Single Male 0 1901 - Rainford, Lancashire, England




1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
17 Ormskirk Road Rainford, Rainford, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
James Allen Head Married Male 44 1867 Lancashire Rainford Coal Dealer Merchant Transcription
Martha Ellen Allen Wife Married Female 37 1874 Lancashire Widness - Transcription
Martha Ellen Allen Daughter - Female 11 1900 Lancashire Rainford - Transcription
James Allen Son - Male 10 1901 Lancashire Rainford - Transcription
Janet Allen Daughter - Female 3 1908 Lancashire Rainford - Transcription
George Allen Son - Male 1 1910 Lancashire Rainford

2 of their 7 children have died

They didn't marry until 1899


Births Dec 1895 (>99%)
Allen John Shaw Prescot 8b 766

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
57, Bronte Street, St Helens, Prescot, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William J Owen Head Married Male 24 1877 General Laborer St Helens, Lancashire, England Transcription
Agnes Owen Wife Married Female 24 1877 - Rainford, Lancashire, England


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
60 Lyon St St Helens, St Helens, Lancashire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
William Joseph Owen Head Married Male 34 1877 Lancashire Windes Coal Dealer Transcription
Agnes Owen Wife Married Female 34 1877 Rainford Lancashire - Transcription
Gladys May Owen Daughter - Female 9 1902 St Helens Lancashire School Transcription
Margaret Owen Daughter - Female 8 1903 St Helens Lancashire School Transcription
William Joseph Owen Son - Male 7 1904 St Helens Lancashire School Transcription
Albert Owen Son - Male 1 1910 St Helens Lancashire - Transcription
Maggie Lawson Servant Widow Female 32 1879 St Helens Lancashire General Servant Domestic

thank you very very much for all the info :-D :-D <3 <3

8 of the children

The marriage was in 1882, so there would have been earlier births, probably registered in Prescot district, where the marriage took place

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1890
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ALLEN Maggie Pemberton Wigan & Leigh PRESCOTT PEM/59/293
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1892
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ALLEN Beatrice Pemberton Wigan & Leigh PRESCOTT PEM/64/137
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1894
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ALLEN Joseph Pemberton Wigan & Leigh PRESCOTT PEM/69/218
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1897
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ALLEN Agnes Pemberton Wigan & Leigh PRESCOTT PEM/75/39
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1898
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ALLEN Alice Pemberton Wigan & Leigh PRESCOTT PEM/78/27
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1900
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ALLEN Gladys Wigan Wigan & Leigh PRESCOTT WIG/220/98
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1902
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ALLEN Stanley Wigan Wigan & Leigh PRESCOTT WIG/227/74
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1905
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ALLEN Hilda Hindley Wigan & Leigh PRESCOTT HNDL/158/266

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
148, Darlington Street East, Wigan, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Allen Head Married Male 39 1862 Insurance Supt Rainford, Lancashire, England Transcription
Alice Allen Wife Married Female 39 1862 - Rainford, Lancashire, England Transcription
Ellen Allen Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Cotton Weaver Rainford, Lancashire, England Transcription
Janet Allen Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Cotton Weaver Rainford, Lancashire, England Transcription
Maggie Allen Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Pemberton, Lancashire, England Transcription
Beatrice Allen Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Pemberton, Lancashire, England Transcription
Joseph Allen Son - Male 6 1895 - Pemberton, Lancashire, England Transcription



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
225 Darlington St East Wigan Lancashire, Wigan, Lancashire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
William Allen Head Married Male 49 1862 Rainford Lancs Insurance Agent Transcription
Alice Allen Wife Married Female 49 1862 Rainford Lancs House Duties Transcription
Maggie Allen Daughter Single Female 21 1890 Wigan Lancs Baby Linen Machinist Transcription
Beatrice Allen Daughter Single Female 19 1892 Wigan Lancs Baby Linen Cutter Tailor Transcription
Joseph Allen Son Single Male 16 1895 Wigan Lancs Junr Clerk Transcription
Benjamin Duckworth Boarder - Male 27 1884 Farmyle Cork Ireland Platelayer W S Ry Transcription

11 children born in marriage - 6 have died

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ormskirk Road Bartons Row, Rainford, Prescot, Lancashire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Allen Head - Male 33 1838 - Lancashire, England Transcription
Jennet Allen Wife - Female 30 1841 - Scotland Transcription
Ann Allen Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Lancashire, England Transcription
William Allen Son - Male 9 1862 - Lancashire, England Transcription
James Allen Son - Male 5 1866 - Lancashire, England Transcription
Ellen Allen Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Lancashire, England Transcription
William Alsope Lodger - Male 29 1842 - Staffordshire, England Transcription
John Allen Son - Male 3 1868 - Staffordshire, England

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ormskirk Road, Rainford, Prescot, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Peter Eden Head Married Male 29 1872 Coal Miner Hewer (Below) St Helens, Lancashire, England Transcription
Maggie Eden Wife Married Female 22 1879 - Rainford, Lancashire, England Transcription
Annie Eden Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - Rainford, Lancashire, England Transcription
William Allen G Uncle Widower Male 79 1822 Retired Gardener Northamptonshire, England


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
24 Ormskirk Road Rainford, Rainford, Lancashire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Peter Eden Head Married Male 39 1872 Lancashire St Helens Coal Miner Hewer Transcription
Maggie Eden Wife Married Female 32 1879 Lanc Rainford - Transcription
Annie Eden Daughter - Female 10 1901 Lanc Rainford School Transcription
Ellen Eden Daughter - Female 8 1903 Lanc Rainford

The marriage was in 1899

By 1911, one further child of the marriage has died


EDEN MAGGIE 1879 1926 1926 Deaths & burials Prescot, Lancashire, England

Janet states in 1911 that 2 of her 10 children have died

Correct birthplace is Blantyre

thank you very much
now i know when they were at home or not i can look for marriages deaths ect
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
16 Ormskirk Road Rainford, Rainford, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Janet Allen Head Widow Female 73 1838 Scotland Blanfyne Lanarkshire Resident -

Henry Allen Son Single Male 37 1874 Lancashire Rainford Colliery Labourer

John Eden Son In Law Married Male 37 1874 Lancashire St Helens Coal Miner Hewer

Ellen Eden Daughter Married Female 40 1871 Lancashire Rainford

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ormskirk Road, Rainford, Prescot, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Janet Allen Head Widow Female 64 1837 - Scotland

Henry Allen Son Single Male 26 1875 Coal Miner Hewer (Below) Rainford, Lancashire, England

John Eden Son-In-Law Married Male 27 1874 Coal Miner Hewer (Below) Rainford, Lancashire, England

Ellen Eden Daughter Single Female 30 1871 - Rainford, Lancashire, England


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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ormskirk Road, Rainford, Prescot, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Janet Allen Head Widow Female 54 1837 Coal Cars Owner Scotland

James Allen Son Single Male 25 1866 Coal Carter Rainford, Lancashire, England

Joseph Allen Son Single Male 18 1873 Coal Carter Rainford, Lancashire, England

Henry Allen Son Single Male 16 1875 Coal Miner Rainford, Lancashire, England

Ellen Allen Daughter Single Female 20 1871 Pit Brow General Labourer Rainford, Lancashire, England

Agnes Allen Daughter Single Female 14 1877 - Rainford, Lancashire, England

Maggie Allen Daughter - Female 12 1879 Scholar Rainford, Lancashire, England

John Carruthers Boarder Widower Male 80 1811 Retired Grocer Preston, Lancashire, England

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