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I am up against a truly brick wall with John, it seems that he was born in 1807 in Bilston Staffordshire, although on the census it says he was born in1809 in Dudley. If anyone can help me with details of his birth I shall be eternally grateful.

Ken

Hello William, do you have the names of John's parents or any other info. please

Looking at the map it looks like Bilston and Dudley are only about 5 miles apart.

John Bryon
England Births and Christenings
Name: John Bryon
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 15 Mar 1809
Christening Place: SAINT MARY,BREWOOD,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Bryon
Mother's Name: Sarah

John Bryan
England and Wales Census, 1851
Name: John Bryan
Age: 42
Gender: M
Birthplace: Dudley, Staffordshire
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Schedule Type: Household

could this be his's marriage


County Staffordshire
Place Dudley Staffs
Church St Thomas
RegisterNumber 786
MarriageDate 27 Nov 1825
GroomForename John
GroomSurname BRYAN
GroomAge
GroomParish Dudley
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Mary
BrideSurname TRANTER
BrideAge
BrideParish Dudley
BrideCondition Spinster

Name: John Bryan
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 64
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Bilston, Staffordshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: West Bromwich
Sub-District: West Bromwich, South-West
Parish: West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
John Bryan Head M 64 Bilston, Staffordshire
Sarah Bryan Wife F 60 Portway, Staffordshire
Rachel Bryan Daughter F 32 Oldbury, Worcestershire
Maria Bryan Daughter F 28 Greets Green, Staffordshire
Thomas Bryan Son M 11 Greets Green, Staffordshire
Mary Jones Boarder F 14 Greets Green, Staffordshire

Name: John Brian
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 01 Jan 1808
Christening Place: BILSTON,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Brian
Mother's Name: Sarah

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01056-2 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number:

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Name: Charlotte Brian
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 29 Apr 1813
Christening Place: BILSTON,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Brian
Mother's Name: Sarah

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01056-2 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 417171, 426486

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Name: Mary Anne Brian
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 19 Apr 1807
Christening Place: BILSTON,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Brian
Mother's Name: Sarah

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01056-2 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number:

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Name: Edward Brian
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 01 Jan 1809
Christening Place: BILSTON,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Brian
Mother's Name: Sarah

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01056-2 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 417171, 426486

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Name: George Brian
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 01 Aug 1802
Christening Place: BILSTON,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Brian
Mother's Name: Sarah

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01056-2 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 417171, 426486

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Name: Joseph Bryan
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 65
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birthplace: Bilston, Staffordshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Dudley
Sub-District: Sedgley
Parish: Sedgley
County: Staffordshire

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Joseph Bryan Self M 65 Bilston, Staffordshire
Sarah Bryan Wife F 58 Bilston, Staffordshire
Hesekiah Bryan Son M 23 Sedgley, Staffordshire

is there a possibility that he dropped the O' ?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JW41-4DM

Name: John Obrian
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 17 May 1807
Christening Place: BILSTON,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Obrian
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01056-2

1807 in Bilston would match

and it seems likely that the same couple had several other children recorded as Brian:

http://tinyurl.com/kvejfoj

Sarah 1805
Mary Anne 1806
James 1806
Thomas 1809
Joseph 1810
(all are christening dates)

'Obrian' could be a simple transcription error as well ... no image is available at familysearch

Bilston records are on line here
http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/resources/indexes
There is a baptism for a Sarah Bryan on 2nd June 1805 to John and Mary.
Also John OBrian baptised on 17 May 1807 to John and Mary. No other OBrians. or Bryans - but there are Brians, as mentioned above.

This looks like his marriage

County Staffordshire
Place Dudley Staffs
Church St Thomas
RegisterNumber 187
MarriageDate 22 Oct 1832
GroomForename John
GroomSurname OBRIAN
GroomAge
GroomParish Dudley
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Sarah
BrideSurname BARTON
BrideAge
BrideParish Dudley
BrideCondition Spinster

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Name: Sarah Barton
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 29 May 1814
Christening Place: Bilston, Stafford, England
Father's Name: James Barton
Mother's Name: Mary Barton

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01328-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 1040824

so if this is the 1871 household as posted by AnnCardiff

John Bryan Head M 64 Bilston, Staffordshire
Sarah Bryan Wife F 60 Portway, Staffordshire
Rachel Bryan Daughter F 32 Oldbury, Worcestershire
Maria Bryan Daughter F 28 Greets Green, Staffordshire
Thomas Bryan Son M 11 Greets Green, Staffordshire
Mary Jones Boarder F 14 Greets Green, Staffordshire

this is them in 1861, courtesy of Ancestry, in West Bromwich ... the first three are recorded as Brian and the next four are on the following page and recorded as Bryan

John Brean 53
Sarah Brean 50
Rachel Brean 24
Sarah Ryan 18
Maria Ryan 20
Jane Ryan 11
Thomas Ryan 4

and in 1851

John Bryan 42
Sarah Bryan 38
John Bryan 17
Rachael Bryan 15
Sarah Bryan 10
Mariah Bryan 8
Jane Bryan 2

Welcome to the Community boards William.




(I'll let William know how to find his replies) :-)

thank you for the message William - can you respond on here so everyone knows

Also, pointless sharing trees - we have no connection whatsoever :-)