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Hi SylviaInCanada,

Thank you for your help, the christening you found for Ellen has the wrong father transcribe, it is the right christening but the father is Henry on the original parish record.

I'm going to check the marriage of Henry and Charlotte again when I can get to the library in case I got it wrong about the father not on it. I normally put notes of fathers names on my tree even for the people who married into the family and I haven't for Charlotte.

Thank you

Wendy

When I use age 1828 +/- 5, this record shows on ancestry


1841 Census

Name: Charlotte Trueman
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Rolleston
Hundred: Thurgarton (Southwell Division)
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Southwell
Sub-registration district: Southwell

Piece: 866
Book: 32
Folio: 15
Page Number: 53

Charlotte Trueman 15 F.S (ie, Female Servant)


she appears to be working for the following family

George Handley abt 1786 Nottinghamshire, Rolleston, Nottinghamshire
Sarah Handley abt 1796 Nottinghamshire, Rolleston, Nottinghamshire
Elizabeth Handley abt 1821 Nottinghamshire Rolleston, Nottinghamshire
Ann Handley abt 1821 Nottinghamshire Rolleston, Nottinghamshire
>>>>>Charlotte Trueman abt 1826 Nottinghamshire Rolleston, Nottinghamshire

Wendy ...................

ages on the 1841 Census were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 for all persons over the age of 15

If the census was taken before her birth date, she would have been rounded down to a birth in 1826 .............. so that 1841 is a definite possibility


On the other hand .............. she was quite old enough to have been out at work, as a domestic servant for example.

the only birth any where for a ellen bramley in the 1851 census is this one but father is james


Ellen Bramley
England Births and Christenings
Name: Ellen Bramley
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 07 Jun 1848
Christening Place: CALVERTON,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name: James Bramley
Mother's Name: Charlotte

this could be the son george born 1850

George Bramley
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name: George Bramley
Age (Original): 31
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1850
Birthplace: Nottingham
Relationship to Head of Household: Inmate
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: General Laborer
Address: Wandsworth And Clapham Union Infirmary
Event Place: Battersea, Surrey, England

Charlotte Trueman
England and Wales, Marriage Registration Index
Name: Charlotte Trueman
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1847
Registration District: Basford
County: Nottinghamshire
Event Place: Basford, Nottinghamshire, England
Volume: 15
Page: 611
Line Number: 37

Charlotte Trueman probably married one of the following people
Name: Susanna Blacknell
Name: Henry Bramley

Hi All,

Thank you sooooooooooo much for your help it has given me something to go on and now have 1851 and a possible 1841 census. :-D

Wendy

brummiejan ...poster says no father on marriage cert

Hi Mike,

Yes I was wondering that too found it on the Freereg site, going to rule her out now.

Hi Shirley and Jan

I thought I had a copy of the marriage but cannot find it now but if she was born 1831 she would have been abt 16 yrs of age when marriage took place also her burial in 1869 has her age at 38yrs so that makes it 1831 too.
So will get her marriage again when I'm in the library

Wendy

Ideally you need her marriage cert to confirm father's name.
Her age might have been rounded up, common in 1841 census.
Jan

???????


1841


Sharlot Trueman

Age:9
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1832

Where born:
Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish:
Greasley

Hundred:
Broxtow (South Division
Samuel Trueman 42
Phoebe Trueman 41
Maria Trueman 23
John Trueman 17
Mary Trueman 14
Selina Trueman 12
Harriot Trueman 11
Sharlot Trueman 9
Aaron Trueman 7
Samuel Trueman 3
Hubert Twells 25
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1851 .........(Trueman on image)

Phebe Tureman 52
Charlotte Tureman 19
Samuel Tureman 14
Thomas Brassington 47
William Bradley 30
Jepe Bradley 26
Solomon Sheldon 18


So Not your Charlotte who was married by 1851

Hi Shirley and Jan,

Thank you, my typing is a bit slow tonight. Yes that's the right Bramley family I don't have the 1851 census so that makes the one that Jan found on 1841 census more likely then.

Wendy

she isnt sure how old she was !!
1861 census
Name: Charlotte Bramley
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry Bramley occ farm labourer
Gender: Female
Where born: Calverton, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Basford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Basford
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Piece: 2438
Folio: 4
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Bramley 38
Charlotte Bramley 30
Ellen Bramley 12
George Bramley 10
Mary Bramley 3


Name: Charlotte Bramley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Registration Year: 1869
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 39
Registration district: Basford
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 97

Not sure why surname is Lee if single mother was Watts but there is this one though mother not Sarah


Charlotte Lee

Age:10
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1831

Where born:Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish:Flintham
Hundred:Bingham (North Division

Thomas Lee 30
Martha Lee 45
Charles Lee 11
Charlotte Lee 10
Ann Lee 7
Hannah Lee 5
John Lee 2

Hi Mike, sorry its Trueman on her marriage.

Thank you Jan that's a possible but 1861 census and her death in 1869 puts her birth abt 1831.

Wendy

1851 census

Charlotte Bramley in the 1851 England Census
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Name: Charlotte Bramley
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry Bramley
Gender: Female
Where born: Calverton, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Calverton
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County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Arnold
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 155
Piece: 2128
Folio: 72
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Bramley 25 occ labourer
Charlotte Bramley 23
Ellen Bramley 2
George Bramley 1

This is probably the John Right above - not sure if related or not:

Name: John Wright
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Son (Child)
Father's name: John Wright
Mother's name: Hannah Wright
Gender: Male
Where born: Calverton, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Calverton
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Arnold

John Wright 38
Hannah Wright 34
John Wright 15
Elizabeth Wright 14
William Wright 10
Mary Wright 4
George Wright 1 Mo

she is down as Trueman not Tureman on the marriage
ame: Henry Bramley
Registration Year: 1847
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Basford
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 15
Page: 611
Records on Page:
Name
Susanna Blacknell
Henry Bramley>>>>>>>>>>>>
Mary Cooper
George Fox
John Morley
Alice Munks
Henry Raynor
Charlotte Trueman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Name: Charlotte Trneman
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Calverton
Hundred: Thurgarton (Southwell Division)
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Arnold
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 865
Book: 8
Folio: 15
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
William Trneman 45
Mary Trneman 45
Harriott Trneman 15
Charlotte Trneman 15
Lucy Trneman 12
John Right 4

Is that Tureman or Trueman ?