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Thank you very much, this is the person I have been searching for, but he was known as Arthur by the family. All the details which you have given me, i.e. marriage details confirm it is the right person.

I am still trying to trace his maternal grandparents - Thomas Stacey was Jane Eveline's father but we have no idea of the name of her mother. A Hannah O'Neil (nee Cowan) was married in 1869 to a Thomas Stacey, a year before Jane Eveline was born, but I cannot find anything that proves that Hannah is indeed her mother, as there is no trace of Jane Eveline until her marriage to William French in Agra in 5/03/1894. The story is that the wife of Thomas was born in India.

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I don't see anything for Arthur Louis- but there is this person:

Baptism:
First name(s) Louis Alfred
Last name French
Baptism year 1896
Birth year 1896
Place Nagpur
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Father's name William French
Baptism date 10 May 1896
Birth date 25 Apr 1896
Archive reference N-1-253
Folio 85
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal

Marriage:
name(s) Louis Alfred French
Marriage year 1921
Marriage date 30 Mar 1921
Spouse Gertrude Maud Swaris
Place Jubbulpore
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 24
Bride's age 24
Groom's father's name William French
Bride's father's name John Swaris
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-451
Folio number 195
Record set British India Office marriages

I am searching for the birth details of Arthur Louis French born in Jubalpur around 1896. You have given me details of his siblings, George, Francis and Gladys. Can you help please.
Jean

As the MOTHER of Jane Eveline Stacey was born in India, possibly in an orphanage, I don't think that this person (Hannah) could be the person we are looking for.
Therefore, I don't think the wife of Thomas Stacey could have been born in Scotland.
From the British Army Records there are two listed Thomas Staceys, both have the same soldier number 333, but one is a Private and the other a Farrier Major. The Thomas listed as a "Private" was born in the parish of Streatham, birth date 1828 which seems to fit, but I cannot find a trace of it.

The daughter of Jane Eveline French (Frances Beryl French - born 11/2/1900) can remember spending holidays at her grandmother's bungalow.
Regards,
Jean

I have been searching through some old papers and find that Thomas Stacey was partly Welsh and that his wife was brought up in an orphanage and looked after by nuns., this I feel must be in India, In view of the new information which I have found do you think that the Welsh Records would be worth trying and then if nothing is found, looking to the Scottish Records because Thomas and Hannah's marriage does appear to fit the date of Jane Evelyn Stacey's birth. The article written by Jane Eveline's daughter states that she (Jane E) was born in India

I would appreciate if you would advise me please how to contact the Scottish and also the Welsh Departments?

Is this co-incidental - ? Hannah's first marriage? It really will be worth you getting a few credits for Scotland's People.

Scotland Marriages 1561-1910 Transcription

First name(s) Hugh
Last name O'Neil
Marriage year 1851
Marriage date 29 Jun 1851
Marriage place Gorbals,Lanark,Scotland
Spouse's first name(s) Hannah
Spouse's last name Cowan
Place Gorbals
County Lanarkshire
Country Scotland
Record set Scotland Marriages 1561-1910

This is the only Hugh Cowan I can find in India on FMP - no idea if correct. He would be 50 by the time Hannah was born but not impossible of course.

He is applying for a gratuity having been an Infantry Private he says and been invalided for fits after serving 4 years in Bengal. Awarded 1 guinea!


Lord Clive Military Fund Pension Registers and Payment Books Transcription

First Name Hugh
Last Name Cowan
Year 1792
Age 23
Presidency Madras
Place Of Birth Town -
Place Of Birth County -
Place Of Birth Country Ireland
Year Of Death -
Date Of Death -
Place Of Death Country -
Place Of Death County -
PlaceOfDeathTown -
Archive Reference L-AG-23-2-13
Catalogue Description Lord Clive Military Fund Pension Registers & Payment Books - widows in Madras
Record set British India Office Army & Navy pensions
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records

FromScotland's People

Your SR Deaths Search Returns
You searched for: Surname: "stacey"; Surname Option: Exact; Forename: "hannah"; Forename Option: Prefix; Sex: "Any"; Year From: 1871; Year To: 1881;

No Year Surname/Maiden Name Forename Mother'sSurname OtherSurnames S
ex A ge District City/County/MR GROS Data
1 1880 STACEY HANNAH COWAN // O'NEIL F 50 BLYTHSWOOD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/07 0040

which shows the death in 1880 of a Hannah Stacey aged 50 with other surnames of Cowan and O'Neil in Lanarkshire where Thomas and Caroline are in 1881.

Scotland People is a buy credits website £7 for 30. 1 credit will produce the result I have posted, for another 5 you would actually be able to view and download an image of the death certificate with all the information that it contains.

PM Received - please keep to your thread Jean so all helpers can see your post.

This is the family concerned. The place is Tundla where W. French was born. I now have all the relevant information to the present day generation. However, the missing vital piece of information is the Christian name of Jane Evelyn's mother and her maiden name. This seems very elusive!! At present I am wondering if Thomas Stacey's wife - nee Cowan might be a lead.

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If the above Army records are showing the correct Thomas then his daughter Caroline Emma who was baptised in 1865 has a mother called Catherine.

There is a death on FMP for a Catherine Stacey in 1868 b 1830. The original says that she was wife of Sergeant Stacey 21st Hussars

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials Transcription

First name(s) Catherine
Last name Stacey
Birth year 1830
Death date 01 May 1868
Death year 1868
Age 38
Burial date 02 May 1868
Place Kussowlie
Presidency Bengal
Archive Reference N-1-124
Folio -
Page 291
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Record set British India Office deaths & burials

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so the marriage I posted earlier in the thread of Thomas Stacey to Hannah Cowan in 1869 is very possible

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The Indies or East Indies (or East India) is a term that has been used to describe the lands of South and South East Asia, occupying all of the present India, ...

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
41, King Street, City, Calton, Lanarkshire, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Stacey Head Widower Male 54 1827 Hore Shoer Smith Pensioner England <<<<<
Carlino Stacey Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1866 House Keeper East Indies

<<<<<Would refer to Chelsea Pensioner ie Army Pensioner
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Which may be this baptism
British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Carroline Emma
Last name Stacey
Baptism year 1865
Birth year 1865
Place Umballa
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Stacey
Baptism date 27 May 1865
Birth date 01 May 1865
Archive reference N-1-112
Folio 274
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal

Original image shows Thomas as a Farrier Major 21st Hussars

So was Thomas married before or is Thomas Stacey, Farrier a co-incidence and there are 2 of them?

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Chelsea Pensioners' discharge documents 1760-1887 Transcription

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Stacey
Birth year -
Birth parish -
Birth town -
Birth county -
Service number -
Rank -
Regiment Hussars
Attestation year 1872 <<<<<<Discharge dates on original
Attestation day 26
Attestation month March
Attestation age years -
Attestation age months -
Attestation corps -
Discharge corps Hussars
Document type Discharge
Series WO121
Box 0228
Box record number -
Dataset title Chelsea Pensioners discharge documents 1760-1887
Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain

From Original image
Discharge Depot O.C.Canterbury
Had served 24 years +

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??? 1871 Worldwide British Army Index - British Army Other Ranks & locations Transcription

First name(s) Thos
Last name Stacey
Service number 333
Rank Farrier
Unit or Regiment Cavalry Depot
HQ location Canterbury
Notes Soldier belonging to 21st Hussars
Year 1871
Country Great Britain
National Archives reference WO 12/12224
Period 01/04/1871-30/06/1871
Record set 1871 Worldwide British Army Index - British Army Other Ranks & locations
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain

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1861 Worldwide Army Index Transcription

First name Thomas
Last name Stacey
Service number 333
Rank Farrier Major
Unit or Regiment 21st Hussars
Regiment stationed at Muttra East Indies (1862)
Year 1861
National Archives reference WO12 / 1453
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain

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Cavalry/Farrier ranks are peculiar to them. For example with the rank of Sergeant the appointment would have been as Farrier Corporal of Horse

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British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Stacey
Marriage year 1869
Marriage date 17 Apr 1869
Spouse's first name Hannah
Spouse's last name Cowan
Place Umballa
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 40
Bride's age 34
Groom's father's first name George
Groom's father's last name Stacey
Bride's father's first name Hugh
Bride's father's last name Cowan
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-127
Folio number 151
Entry number 150
Record set British India Office marriages

From Image - Thomas Stacey is a 40 year old widower and a Farrier Sergeant - I can't read the rest and Hannah? 34 and ? widow, but don't know why her Father would also be Cowan

EDIT - could say he is with the 21st Hussars - looking at the entry below his.

And I have actually posted the transcription and sited the image for that marriage with the correct spelling of French, as well as other information, but obviously not spotted.

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British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Muriel Gladys Clark
Last name French
Baptism year 1897
Birth year 1897
Place Jubbulpore,Christ Church
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name French
Baptism date 26 Nov 1897
Birth date 21 Oct 1897
Archive reference N-1-261
Folio 140
Page -


Parents abode Jubbulpore. Father Driver E.I.Railway

Jean


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The information he posted was found on the internet


and the photograph by the side of his name is, I believe, of himself when he was young



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British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription
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First name(s) George Leslie
Last name French
Baptism year 1894
Birth year 1894
Place Tundla
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Evelyne
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name French
Baptism date 15 Nov 1894
Birth date 16 Sep 1894
Archive reference N-1-244
Folio 7
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal
Record set British India Office births & baptisms

Abode of parents Tundla, Father a Driver E.I.R.

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription
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First name(s) Frances Beryl
Last name French
Baptism year 1900
Birth year 1900
Place Jubbulpore,Christ Church
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Jane Evelyn
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name French
Baptism date 26 Feb 1900
Birth date 11 Feb 1900
Archive reference N-1-280
Folio 169

Original shows Father occupation as Driver E.I.R.
Abode Jubbalpore

Greetings Mike, and thanks for your quick response. Despite the variation of the spelling of the surname I think it is worthwhile taking the connection a step further.
Do you have any further information on the Stacy Family and also Jane's mother's Christian and maiden names? And I would really like to know is this a photo of Jane.?

Jean

I'll let Jean know how to find her replies... :-)

Welcome to the Boards, Jean


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British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials Transcription
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First name(s) William
Last name French
Birth year 1839
Death date 19 Jan 1913
Death year 1913
Age 74
Burial date 20 Jan 1913
Place Jubbulpore
Presidency Bengal
Archive Reference N-1-387
Folio -
Page 24
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Record set British India Office deaths & burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Note at head of image page says Burials at Jubbalpore for the quarter ending 31 March 1913. Church of England Central provinces.

William aged 74 (so born c 1839) Retired Driver E.I.R.
Cause of death Capillary Bronchitis. Buried by P Cullen