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Also had a lovely message from David.

Take care and we will be here if you need any further help with this one.

Take care,

Maureen

Sorry to hear about your fall Dave - I hope you won't take too much longer to recover fully.

Just let us know on here if you need any further help on this, as and when you are ready.

Best wishes,

Dea x

To all who input data to question, many thanks. I'm only just now able to study the data as a couple of days after your amazing replies I fell and broke my hip and am only now able to sit at the PC long enough to study and digest it all. You've put me on the right track I'm sure so thanks very much.

Regards,
Dave.

You are very welcome David.

Have a read through and 'digest' it then come back on here with any further questions you may have.

Dea x

My God, so much data, it'll take me a while to sort that lot out. Thanks everybody. :-)

Brilliant teamwork as always.

Just need feedback now.

(also address 5 Sylvan Grove)

Marriage: 14 Jul 1913 St John Chrysostom, Rusholme, Lancashire, England
Arthur Alfred Grant - 30 Coach Builder Bachelor of 14 Welby Street Chorlton upon Medlock
Etheldreda Turnbull - 27 Spinster of 5 Sylvan Grove Chorlton upon Medlock
Groom's Father: Alfred Grant, Coach Builder
Bride's Father: Thomas Turnbull, Salesman
Witness: Algernon Goodman; Ethel Seale
Married by Banns by: Paul E. Rebbeck
Register: Marriages 1904 - 1914, Entry 214
Source: LDS Film 1408890

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html


Marriages Sep 1913 (>99%)
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Grant Arthur A Turnbull Chorlton 8c 1800
Turnbull Ethel Grant Chorlton 8c 1800

Chris :)

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1895

TURNBULL Mabel Wallasey Wirral WAL/60/76

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php


Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1915
TURNBULL Mabel WILLIAMS Robert Bamford Seacombe, St Paul Wirral C10/4/425


Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1899
TURNBULL Nellie Frances Wallasey Wirral WAL/70/53

Cheshire Death indexes for the years: 1900
TURNBULL Nellie Frances 1 Wallasey Wirral WAL/40/10

(Reference Frances Dalton Turnbull below)

Chris :)

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Frances Dalton
Last name Turnbull
Age 27
Marriage year 1903
Marriage date 01 Jun 1903
Marriage place Chorlton-Upon-Medlock, Lancashire, England
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Turnbull
Spouse's first name(s) Robert Francis
Spouse's last name Wharmby
Spouse's father's first name(s) Henry Ambrose
Spouse's father's last name Wharmby


1911 (Find My Past)
Gilbert Francis Wharmby Head Married Male 35 1876 Woton Liverpool Friuterer And Fish Monger (Robert on image)
Francis D Ton Wharmby Wife Married Female 36 1875 Manchester Lancs -
Francis Leslis Wharmby Son Single Male 7 1904 Egremont Cheshire -
Ida Wharmby Daughter Single Female 0 1911 Moss Side Manchester Lancs
Address 18 Lowson St Moss Side Manchester
Parish South Manchester
Census reference RG14 PN23926 RG78 PN1380B RD464 SD4 ED61 SN225

GB - I think that you 'do' have the correct family on 1891 even though it says Turnstall on image.

They have a child Esther on there but there was not a birth for an Esther but there was for an Ethel and she was christened as an adult on 1907 at the same address as on the 1891 you have.....

Baptism: 23 Feb 1907 St Chrysostom, Rusholme, Lancashire, England
Ethel Turnbull, Adult - [Child] of Thomas Turnbull & Eliza
Born: 13 Oct 1886
Abode: 5 Sylvan Grove, C. on M. *******
Occupation: Salesman
Baptised by: J. B. S. Barratt
Register: Baptisms 1876 - 1920, Page 127, Entry 1012
Source: LDS Film 1408890


They are still there in 1901 as 'Turnbull' :

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5, Sylvan Grove, South Manchester, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Turnbull Head Widower Male 59 1842 Warehouseman Lancashire, England
Gertand Turnbull Daughter Single Female 27 1874 - Lancashire, England
Eliza Turnbull Daughter Single Female 23 1878 Saleswoman Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ida Turnbull Daughter Single Female 18 1883 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ethel Turnbull Daughter Single Female 14 1887 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

Dea x

In case relevant

Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)
GIBSON Eliza Wetherby 9a 177
GREENHOW Mary A Wetherby 9a 177
JOHNSON James Wetherby 9a 177
TURNBULL Thomas Wetherby 9a 177

Baptisms for Eliza and Thomas Turnbull in 1877 Manchester show parents of Thomas and Eliza born Gibson at 15 cheltenham St. Thomas is a warehouseman

That 1891 I posted in the name of Tunstall is annoying me now as I think it is the right family but wrong surname on the census image.

Emily Turnbull can be found in 1881 with her grandparents but not yet found any trace of Nelly

Possible death for mother Eliza in 1888 in Chorlton reg dist.

OR am I just clutching at straws now.



Could do with feedback from David on the marriage cert

I don't think that's him arriving in US in 1906. His arrival states that he's single, a farmer from Whiteley Bay, England, going to join sister, Mrs Mary C. (can't make out surname, transcription says Cherry but I don't think that's it)

Mr Robert Turnbull

in the Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1963
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Name: Mr Robert Turnbull
Gender: Male
Birthdate: abt 1868
Nationality: English
Last Residence: Whiteley Boy,eng
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 26 Mar 1906
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age on Arrival: 37 Years 6 Months
Ship: Friesland
Friend's Name: Miss. Mary Cherry

Here is the 1901 with their occupations on it.


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3, Edith Road, Poulton cum Seacomb, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robt Turnbull Head Married Male 29 1872 Stationers Labourer Wetherby, Yorkshire, England
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Alice Turnbull Wife Married Female 25 1876 Professional (Actress) Lancaster, Lancashire, England
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Francis D Turnbull Sister-In-Law Single Female 25 1876 Dressmaker Lancaster, Lancashire, England
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Mabel Turnbull Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Seacombe, Cheshire, England
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Agnes Cort Sister-In-Law Single Female 24 1877 Dressmaker Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Richard Davies Visitor Married Male 42 1859 Comedian Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Eunice Adell Visitor Married Female 27 1874 Actress Blackpool, Lancashire, England

perhaps he went to america on his own if thats alice in the 1911 census

Robert Turnbull
Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger List Index Cards
Name: Robert Turnbull
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 1906
Event Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 37
Birthplace: England
Ship Name: Friesland
Birth Year (Estimated): 1869

1891 poss but need to check the spelling on image

Name: Robert Tunstall
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas Tunstall
Gender: Male
Where born: Knaresborough, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Chorlton on Medlock
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Chorlton
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3185
Folio: 61
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Tunstall 49
Nelly Tunstall 23
Emily Tunstall 21
Robert Tunstall 20
Greehuale Tunstall 17
Frances Tunstall 16
Eliza Tunstall 13
Ada Tunstall 9
Esther Tunstall 5



bother it does look like that on image

possible birth registration


First name(s) ROBERT
Last name TURNBULL
Birth year 1871
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District KNARESBOROUGH
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9A
Page 105
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Births & baptisms



Have you got his marriage cert for the name and occupation of his father and possible witnesses

1881 possible


Name: Robert Turnbull
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Thomas Turnbull
Mother: Eliza Turnbull
Gender: Male
Where born: Knaresbro, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Chorlton on Medlock
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 15 Cheltenham St
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Chorlton
Sub registration district: Chorlton Upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3917
Folio: 32
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Turnbull 39
Eliza Turnbull 36
Sarah H. Turnbull 13
Robert Turnbull 9
Gertrude Turnbull 7
Frances D. Turnbull 5
Eliza Turnbull 3
Harry Turnbull 1

Looking again at that 1901 census

I wonder if Frances is Frances Dalton Turnbull b1875 Chorlton

Their marriage:-

First name(s) ALICE
Last name CORT
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1894
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ALICE CORT married one of these people

****ROBERT TURNBULL****, JAMES FOSTER POPPLEWELL
Spouse's last name -
District CHORLTON
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8C
Page 1232

Kath. x

1901 need to check the image for spelling

Name: Robt Quanbull
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Alice Quanbull
Birth Place: Westenby, Yorkshire, England - Wetherby on image
Civil Parish: Poulton cum Seacombe
Ecclesiastical parish: Seacombe St Paul
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Wallasey
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3404
Folio: 192
Page Number: 21
Household schedule number: 116
Household Members:
Name Age
Robt Quanbull 29
Alice Quanbull 25
Frances D Quanbull 25
Mabel Quanbull 5
Agnes Cort 24
Richard Davis 42
Ennie Wedell 27



Will do a name correction


Wetherby comes under Knaresborough reg district