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Does anybody have any information about a Sarah Swayne born in London about 1830. Sarah was my ggreat grandmother. Sarah married my great grandfather Isaac Sandoe in 1863in Bethnal Green they had children James Sandoe and Sarah Sandoe, i have since found out that Sarah married Isaac Cook in 1852 in Shoreditch and had three daughters Jane, Margaret and my great grandmother Emma they were registered at birth as Cock,On both marriage certificate all details ie occupation, father's name and age are both the same, which leads me to the conclusion that both Isaac's are the one and the same.
Does anyone know anything about them?
Lorraine

1841 censu 2 possibilities
SWAYNE, James M 68
SWAYNE, Maria F 50
SWAYNE, Sarah M 12 Middlesex
TAYLOR, William M 20
TAYLOR, Maria F 18
TAYLOR, James M 16
WALTER, Jacob M 20
WALTER, Caroline F 20 Middlesex

RG number:
HO107 Piece:
671 Book/Folio:
4/46 Page:
23

Registration District:
Holborn Sub District:
St George The Martyr EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St George The Martyr Municipal Borough:
Address:
Red Lion Passage, St George The Martyr County:
Middlesex
or

SWAYNE, John M 60
SWAYNE, Walter M 25
SWAYNE, Fredrick M 15 Surrey
SWAYNE, Emily F 15 Surrey
SWAYNE, Sarah F 9 Surrey
LANDSDOWN, Ellen F 20 Surrey
NORTH, Ann F 20

RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1065 Book/Folio:
3/29 Page:
5

Registration District:
St Mary Newington Sub District:
Trinity EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Mary Newington Municipal Borough:
Lambeth Address:
Trinity Square, St Mary Newington, Lambeth County:
Surrey

Thanks Lindsay that helped as her fathers name was James,

Still at a loss withSarah swayne and Isaac Sandoe any help would be great
Sarah Married Isaac Cock sept 1852 in Shoredith and had two daughters Margaret and Emma and then Sarah Married Isaac Sandoe in 1863 in Bethnal green, they had a son James and daughter Sarah, Emma and Margaret were brought up with surname Sandoe. I just find it odd that i can not find a death or birth for Isaac Sandoe, Isaac Sandoe was a mariner on the John Bunyan. Both Isaac's have a father listed as Stephen and both were Mariners so i am thinking they are the same person but can not get any further and hit a wall. can anybody help please. :-D

(Sandoe, perhaps Cornish?, probably variants also, how old was Isaac, are there other 'Threads relating?)

Chris :)

Day Month 03-Nov
Year 1820
Parish Or Reg District Kea
Groom Fn Stephen
Groom Sn SANDOE
Groom Age
Groom Residence Kenwyn
Groom Condition
Groom Rank Profession
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Groom Father Name
Groom Father Rank Profession
Bride Fn Elizabeth
Bride Sn BINNEY
Bride Age
Bride Residence Kenwyn
Bride Condition
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Bride Father Name
Bride Father Rank Profession
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 Issackar
Witness Sn1 BINNEY
Witness Fn2 Elizabeth Ann
Witness Sn2 BINNEY


Baptism
Day Month 08-Jun
Year 1823
Parish Or Reg District Kenwyn
Forename Mary Heath Benney
Surname SANDOE
Sex
Father Forename Stephen
Mother Forename Elizabeth
Residence Chacewater
Father Rank Profession Miner

(perhaps not, he was a 'Miner')

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

(from above link)

edits

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/984996?d=asc

(My ggg grandfather was Isaac Sandoe born in Cornwall around 1835)


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_topics/thread/1032594

from ancestry .............

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Isaac Cock
[Sarah Twayne]
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Age: 26
Spouse: Sarah Twayne
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Sep 1852
Parish: St Leonard, Shoreditch
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Stepha Cock
Spouse Father: James Twayne
Register Type: Parish Register

from image:-

Stephen
Bachelor
Occupation:- Mariner
Address:- St Leonard's Shoreditch
Father occupation:- Mariner

Sarah
Spinster
Occupation:- Servant
Address:- St Leonard's Shoreditch
Father occupation:- Sheriff's Officer

Witnesses:- James Ellitions (??) and Emily Wilton

Married by License


London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Isaac Sandoe
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Age: 30
Spouse: Sarah Swayne
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Mar 1863
Parish: St Philip, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Stephan Sandoe
Spouse Father: James Swayne
Register Type: Parish Register

from image:-

Isaac
Bachelor
Mariner
Address:- 2 Fuller Street
Father occupation:- Mariner

Sarah
Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- Fuller Street
Father occupation:- Publican

Witnesses:- William Sarvent and May Ann Bidgood

Married by Banns



well, at first sight, if ages are correct, then Isaac Cock was older than Isaac Sandoe............... IC was 26 in 1852, and therefore would have been 37 in 1863

Mind you, I see that Sarah Swayne has only aged 5 years between 1852 and 1863 :-)

Chris ..........

he says he was born in Cornwall in the 1881


1881 Census

Name: Isaac Sands
[Isaac Sandoe]
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Sarah Sands
Gender: Male
Where born: Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Hamlet
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 250 Oxford St
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Sailor
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 24

Piece: 475
Folio: 108
Page Number: 4

Isaac Sands 53
Sarah Sands 49 b.ca 1832, Whitechapel, Middlesex
James Sands 16 b.ca 1865, Mile End, Middlesex, Printer

(yes Sylvia, just getting info from 'Thread' posted earlier, given by Janey Canuck...(so takes a bit of reading, lol)

Chris :)

(relating to family somewhere perhaps)

Britain, merchant seamen, 1835-1857 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Isaac
Last name Sandoe
Age 42
Birth year 1814
Birth date ? ? 1814
Birth place Calstock
Birth county/country Cornwall
Archive The National Archives
Series BT116
Piece number 79
Date range 1853-1857

(also)

Sandon Isaac 1814 - 1853 Britain, merchant seamen, 1835-1857 Great Britain

Is this the Marriage?
Date & Place 10 March 1863, St Philip's Church, Bethnal Green
Bride Sarah Swayne Spinster
Age 28
Father James Swayne occ Publican
Groom Isaac Sandoe occ Mariner
Age 30
Father Stephen Sandoe occ Mariner
Witnesses William Sarvent & Mary Ann Bidgood

If Sarah was a Spinster are you sure this us the same person who married Isaac Cock?

There are several Sarah Swaynes born in the UK during the relevant period, but there does seem to be only 1 Sarah Swayne with father James, and that is this one in 1841

1841 Census

Name: Sarah Swayne
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St George The Martyr
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: St George the Martyr

Piece: 671
Book: 4
Folio: 46
Page Number: 23

James Swayne 68 b.ca 1773, not in County, Sheriff's Bailiff
Maria Swayne 50
Sarah Swayne 12
William Taylor 20 Servant
Maria Taylor 18 Female Servant
James Taylor 16 Male Servant
Jacob Walter 20 Sheriff's Bailiff
Caroline Walter 20

time for me to go to bed! I'll leave you to sort it out :-)

Haven't read through the whole thread, but wondered if this was related- possibly a later baptism than birth?

Name: Jessie Sandoe
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 May 1882
Father's name: Isaac Sandoe- Mariner
Mother's name: Sarah Sandoe
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers
Abode: Oxford Street
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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Stepney Green, Mile End Old Town, London, England

Sarah Sandoe Wife - Female 42 1829 seaman's wife- Middlesex,
Margaret Sandoe Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Middlesex, England
James Sandoe Son - Male 6 1865 - Middlesex, England
Jessie Sandoe Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Middlesex, England
------------------------------------------------------------

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Charles Street, Mile End Old Town, London, England

Sarah Sandoe Wife Widow Female 62 1829 - Middlesex, England
Jessie Sandoe Daughter Single Female 22 1869 Machinist Middlesex, England

also related?? Did he remarry in his mother's name?

Cornwall Baptisms Transcription
name(s) ISAAC COCK
Gender Male
Birth year 1826
Baptism year 1826
Baptism date 26 Feb 1826
Parish Calstock
Father's first name(s) Stephen
Father's last name COCK
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Relationship Son
Place CALSTOCK
-------------------------------------------------------

Marriages:
Name: Stephen Cock
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 11 Feb 1815
Marriage Place: Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
Spouse: Ann Sandoe
FHL Film Number: 1595811
Reference ID: 30

Good find Austin!

I think there is no doubt they are one and same person and, for some reason, he changed his name (and that of his father) and "remarried" Sarah.

The signature of Isaac on both certificates looks similar. And they both appear to have added 5 years rather than 9 years on their ages between the two.

Jude

This is the family in 1861:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6, Scott Street, Bethnal Green, London, England

Sarah Cox Head Married Female 32 1829 Needlewoman -
Jane Anne Cox Daughter Unmarried Female 7 1854 - New Town,
Margeret M Cox Daughter Unmarried Female 3 1858 - -
Emma Caroline Cox Daughter Unmarried Female 1 1860 - -

There are other children to Ann & Stephen Cock listed under Cooke/ Cock/ Cook!!

Baptisms:

(wondered if middle name was a mistranscription of Sandoe?)
Name: John Sanolor Cock
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 5 Apr 1818
Baptism Place: Calstock, Cornwall, England
Father: Stephen Cock
Mother: Ann
FHL Film Number: 1545380
Reference ID: p 69
-------------------------------------------------------------

Name Stephen Cooke
Gender Male
Christening Date 13 Jun 1819
Christening Place Calstock, Cornwall, England
Father's Name Stephen Cooke
Mother's Name Ann
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Name George Cook
Gender Male
Christening Date 25 Apr 1824
Christening Place Calstock, Cornwall, England
Father's Name Stephan Cook
Mother's Name Ann
---------------------------------------------

1841:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Calstock Town, Calstock, Liskeard, Cornwall, England
Ann Cock Female 55 1786 -
John Cock Male 22 1819 Cornwall, England
Stephen Cock Male 20 1821 Cornwall, England
------------------------------------------------

1851:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Calstock Town, Calstock, Liskeard, Cornwall, England

Ann Cock Head Widow Female 67 1784 Pauper Cornwall, England
Stephen Cock Son Unmarried Male 33 1818 Tin Miner Calstock, Cornwall,
George Cock Son Married Male 27 1824 Mundie Miner Calstock, Cornwall,
Margaret Cock Daughter-In-Law Married Female 27 1824 - Cornwall, England
Samuel D Cock Grand Son - Male 0 1851 - St Day, Cornwall, England

Isaac - merchant seaman

First went to see as an apprentice in 1837

Britain, merchant seamen, 1835-1857 Transcription
First name(s) Isaac
Last name Cock
Birth year 1823
Birth date 09 Feb 1823
Birth place Calstock
Birth county/country Cornwall
Archive The National Archives
Series BT113
Piece number 128
Date range 1845-1854
Record set Britain, merchant seamen, 1835-1857

Re the John Sanolor Cock baptism posted by Austin

This is the version on Cornwall opc

ww.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

Baptisms

Day Month 05-Apr
Year 1818
Parish Or Reg District Calstock
Forename John Sanders
Surname COCK
Sex son
Father Forename Stephen
Mother Forename Ann
Residence Calstock Town
Father Rank Profession miner
Notes
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Myra Cordrey


It still raises the question of possible mis-transcription for Sandoe

Father Stephen apparently died in 1826 .............

from cornwall opc

Burials

Day Month 02-Jan
Year 1826
Parish Or Reg District Calstock
Forename Stephen
Surname COCK
Age 33
Residence Calstock Town
Notes
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Myra Cordrey