Genealogy Chat

thanks Jess, Tracy and Judith. Just going to get me teeth into this lot!

have forage thru and see what you can make of what we have found for now, the come back to us. i enjoy the chase!! jess

LOL!!! My head is spinning already, perhaps I don't need the G&T after all. Will stick to fizzy pop as instructed!

Stick to fizzy pop with this lot PLEASE!! jess

1871? Eva/Heva/Kezia? Eva H H Hughes 1854 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Niece Birmingham Warwickshire Mary A M Hughes 1860 Leominster, Herefordshire, England Niece Birmingham Warwickshire Eleanor Waldron 1803 Rugeley, Staffordshire, England Head Birmingham Warwickshire Perhaps she was Eva Heva Haseldine Hughes!! ?

LOL! This is so fab! Just trying to get my head round the replies, might be easier after a G&T!!!! Thank you all so much. I just don't know how you do it. I hope when I get a bit more experienced I will be able to help people out like this.

Tracy- am i losing the plot - Louisa is john daughter, ok do you agree about the other marriage tho? Jess From above That Christopher dies in 1887 aged 30 * must be the same woman Heva/Eva with the distinct middle name Unless Heva has a sister Eva? that married 2 brothers...NO

1881 Christopher Chas. Lesilus ?(Neilus) abt 1856 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Kerza(Heva) Haseldine Lesilus ?(Neilus) abt 1854 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife 10 Alcester Ter Alcester St, Aston, Warwickshire, England The right marriage for these two, Jess

William Neilus does seem to be William Rudge - do the two William's birthplaces, ages and occupations match up? They might have been hiding, or maybe just a confused enumerator. In the village where I live now people are often referred to by their maiden, or previous married names (and lots have nicknames or use second christian names) it must be a nightmare for newcomers and I can just imagine the muddle a census enumerator would get into if he had to collect information from them.

Jess, I think this is Louisa... Agnes Neilus 1862 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire Amie Neilus 1867 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire Christopher Neilus 1855 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Clara Neilus 1864 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire Elisa Neilus 1853 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire Eliza Neilus 1822 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Birmingham Warwickshire Emily Neilus 1857 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire John Neilus 1828 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Birmingham Warwickshire Julia Neilus 1851 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire Louisa Neilus 1859 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire (1871)

2 death- 2 men - still guess father and son Neilus, Christopher Charles 1887 December Deaths Aston Warwickshire died age 30 Neilus, Christopher Patrick 1895 December Deaths Kings Norton Staffordshire Warwickshire Worcestershire died age 66 * wonder where Louisa fits in. cant find any trace of a William yet.

an 1881 return Christopher P. Neilus abt 1830 Ireland Head 5 Moat Row, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Lousa Neilus abt 1860 Bham, Warwickshire, England Niece 5 Moat Row, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Charles Whelan abt 1865 Ireland Boarder 5 Moat Row, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England HE was old!!- or Christopher charles' dad

clarify things BAILEY, Alice Teresa 1881 March Marriages Aston Warwickshire HUGHES, Heva Hazeldine H 1881 March Marriages Aston Warwickshire Neilus, Christopher Charles 1881 March Marriages Aston Warwickshire O'Toole, John 1881 March Marriages Aston was married to neilus too although maybe his brother... sorry makes it worse!! jess

I have had such help since I joined this site, I thought I would be cheeky and ask for help again! As a beginner, I sometimes find some things really cnofusing even when the obvious is staring me in the face! LOL Well here goes, hope you can keep up. Searching for my great great grandparents. My great grandmother's name was Kate Rudge, no problem there. I know her father was William rudge and her mother was called Eva, she died when Kate was 12. That was all the info I had. So I started my search for a marriage between william rudge and an Eva in Birmingham and found a marriage between Willam rudge and Eva Hazeldine Neilus in Dec 1889 in Birmingham. Appears in every respect to be them. So, then I checked the 1891 census and sure enough there they are, now with a 1year old daughter named Kate, so that fits. Also the address of a Public House in Mosely street in Kings Norton - that fits as I was told that Kate was born in a pub in Kings norton. Eva's age at this point is 34. Also living with them is a 'step daughter' clara neilus. Was Eva married before to a Mr Neilus? Can't find any record of a marriage to a Mr Neilus. So not sure whether this is her maiden name and clara illigitimate. Fab! Keeping up? So, now I look at the 1901 census and the rudges have disappeared. BUT Eva Neilus reappears, married to a william neilus, with a daughter kate neilus aged 12, some other children but no sign of Clara. and at a different address. Now, is she married to 2 people at the same time (don't think so - but great family scandal!) or have the whole family moved from the pub and reverted to her maiden name to 'hide' from the officials? Is william Neilus really william Rudge? Or has she left willaim rudge and gone back to willliam neilus, if he ever existed? Her age on 1901 census given as 44, so that is right. Then later that year an Eva Hazeldine Rudge dies aged 48 (so 4 years discrepancy) But it would fit that she died this year as kate was 12. Are you as confused as me? Is there something fishy going on? My mother is interrogating my grandmother as we speak, but I don't think we will get much from her. Why would they be 'hiding'? Thnaks for any help you can give me