Genealogy Chat

Can any of the census be searched by name and occupation? (See Below)

1881 on ancestry 1881 on CD's 1901 on National Archives I think those are the general ones Sarah

I am looking for the father of John Owen, who married Sarah Elizabeth Lockley in Salford, Lancs in 1905, aged 25. His father was also John Owen, a farmer, deceased by 1905. The only one I can find is in 1891 in Warrington. However, his decendant is certain that his family all came from Salford. Any advice appreciated. Thanks Lynne

Thanks Sarah, you replied before I even finished my message!! LOL! Lynne

Sorry about that - I didn't read it properly lol Sarah

Sarah That was not meant as a criticism, just that you were very quick. Thanks again. Lynne

I didn't take it as a criticism!! What about this family??: 1881: John OWEN Head M Male 44 Woolston, Lancashire, England Farm Lab Ann OWEN Wife M Female 39 Warrington, Lancashire, England Thomas OWEN Son Male 14 Warrington, Lancashire, England Scholar Gilbert OWEN Son Male 11 Warrington, Lancashire, England Scholar William OWEN Son Male 5 Warrington, Lancashire, England Scholar Mary OWEN Daur Female 3 Woolston, Lancashire, England John OWEN Son Male 1 Woolston, Lancashire, England By 1891 (alphabetical), dad has become a farmer: Owen, Ann abt 1842 Warrington, Lancashire, England Wife Woolston with Martinscroft Lancashire Owen, Gilbert abt 1871 Warrington, Lancashire, England Son Woolston with Martinscroft Lancashire Owen, John abt 1835 Martinscroft, Lancashire, England Head Woolston with Martinscroft Lancashire Owen, John abt 1880 Martinscroft, Lancashire, England Son Woolston with Martinscroft Lancashire Owen, Mary abt 1878 Martinscroft, Lancashire, England Daughter Woolston with Martinscroft Lancashire Owen, Sarah abt 1884 Martinscroft, Lancashire, England Daughter Woolston with Martinscroft Lancashire Owen, William abt 1876 Warrington, Lancashire, England Son Woolston with Martinscroft Lancashire and by 1901 Ann Owen is a Widow: Ann Owen abt 1841 Warrington, Lancashire, England Aunt Warrington Lancashire I can't give you the rest of the household for the last one as Ancestry keeps giving me an error message lol Sarah

Yet again, if I had read your message properly and REMEMBERED it for more than two seconds, i would have realised we are probably talking about the same Warrington family lol I couldn't find any others that fitted the info:o(( Sarah

Thanks Sarah Yes, they are the family in Warrington that I found in 1891 although I didn't find them in 1881. Is the father a farmer in 1881? Another possible link is that the John Owen who married in 1905 had a son named Gilbert and this family have a Gilbert who would be his brother. (Does all that make sense - LOL!) I am convinced they are the ones I want but my friend is sure they were all from Salford. I will have to request a 3 year search stating father John Owen, but then I still won't be sure I've got the right one. I have 4 John Owens in my own tree and I am trying to establish a link between my friend, another John Owen (known as Gilbert!) and my mother, Annie Owen. All my mother's family were from Salford / Manchester right back to my GGGGrandfather, yet another John Owen. So I thought I had a connection until I hit the 'Warrington hitch'. Thanks again Sarah for your help. Lynne

As Warrington and Salford were only about 10 miles apart I would say you have found a definite maybe in that family. Although the descendent says the family 'all came from Salford' surely he couldn't possiby know that they hadn't at some time moved there from a neighbouring district (unless of course he's a family history junkie like us!)

Judith I love your 'definite maybe' - LOL! Yes, I agree with you but I can't convince him!! Also I don't want to go down the 'wrong road' as it's not my own family. No he isn't into family history at all, or at least he wasn't until I told him I was researching his family to try and find a link. He seemed very keen last week when I told him how much info I had already found but he's 73 now so probably a bit late for him to start his own search (plus he doesn't have a PC and has no idea how to use one - LOL!) Anyway, thanks for your response. Lynne

rellies can be mistaken! My husband thought that his family were all Hartlepudlians through and through. Found his paternal grandparents were both from near York and only just made it here for the 1901 census - no wonder I couldn't find the marriage LOL Beth :)

Beth Thanks for your input. I think I'm just going to have to convince him that I have the correct family. I'm sure I do, especially with the link with Gilbert. Sarah Sorry, just re-read your 1881 info and realised he was a farm labourer. (So you're not the only one who missed something - LOL!) Thanks to everyone for your help. Lynne

What was the son's occupation when he got married? It looks as if the son in the Warrington family was also a farmer. In 1901 he was living with a brother, who, again was also a farmer. My money (if I had any lol) is on this Warrington family being ''the ones'' !! Sarah