Genealogy Chat

Hi Need advice what to do next . Looking for my GG Grandad but cant find much info on him this is what i have got so far. Thomas Crowder c1843 married Ann Gorton 1863 in Liverpool cant find him on any census but can find his wife and children on 1871 found this [Thomas Crowder abt 1843 died 1878 West Derby] would fit in as Wife marries again 1880 on marriage cert he is a Boilermaker so is his father he was called John, Full age on birth cert

Sorry, not sure what info you are looking for? Ive reread the message but it sounds like you have his marriage and birth certificate? If not you need to buy the birth cert.

Hi Heather, I have his marriage cert his dad is called John i have found his wifes family regards June

What im looking for is where he was born and his family and if i get his death cert will it have much on it regards june

Ok then you need his birth certificate now really.

Hi Heather not sure where he was born June

Is this him - have you this already? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THOMAS CROWDER Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 09 OCT 1844 Christening: 10 NOV 1844 Saint Mary, Bury, Lancashire, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JOHN CROWDER Family Mother: SARAH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: P007053 1813 - 1817 0093680 Film 1235414 Film P007053 1817 - 1822 0093681 Film NONE P007053 1822 - 1826 0093682 Film NONE P007053 1826 - 1834 0093683 Film NONE P007053 1834 - 1844 0093684 Film NONE P007053 1844 - 1854 0093685 Film NONE P007053 1854 - 1875 0093686 Film NONE

Yes Thanks need to pick grandson up from playgroup be back later June

So it's finding the right birth cert that is proving tricky? How do you know he was born in Bury if you don't have him on a census? Sarah

I think you need to check out if this John died early before accepting him as yours though. If he e were of full age (and they werent lying) he would have been at least 21. This chap would have been 19 at that marriage.

Well, this looks like the inlaws in Toxeth Park, Liverpool: John Crowder abt 1867 Liverpool Grandson Toxteth Park Lancashire Ann Gorton abt 1810 Liverpool Wife Toxteth Park Lancashire James Gorton abt 1809 Liverpool Lodger Toxteth Park Lancashire Thomas Gorton abt 1830 Liverpool Son Toxteth Park Lancashire It could be that Thomas was working away? Possibly on a ship?

Hi Sarah + Heather, Im back now. dont know where he was born Sarah he is the only one i have found with a father called John. Thomas was not on the 1871 census with his wife and children dont know where he was. regards June

Theres this guy who could fit the bill. He is a blacksmith but that would easily convert into boilermaker. Plus look at the names of his siblings. Father dead by looks of it. Elizabeth Crowder abt 1812 Butter Knowle, Durham, England Head Haswell Durham George Crowder abt 1834 West Auckland, Durham, England Son Haswell Durham James Crowder abt 1846 Haswell, Durham, England Son Haswell Durham John Crowder abt 1838 Shildon, Durham, England Son Haswell Durham Mary Crowder abt 1836 West Auckland, Durham, England Daughter Haswell Durham Ralph Crowder abt 1841 Haswell, Durham, England Son Haswell Durham Richard Crowder abt 1849 Haswell, Durham, England Son Haswell Durham Thomas Crowder abt 1840 Haswell, Durham, England Son Haswell Durham William Crowder abt 1843 Haswell, Durham, England Son Haswell Durham I think you will have to trawl all the Thomas Crowders in the 1861 really.

Hi Heather, Thank you will check names out regards June need to go out will get back later

Hi Heather, Dont think that is my Thomas as that one is alive on 1881 census with wife and children regards June