Genealogy Chat

the enumerator might just have copied the householders' forms verbatim. A lot of enumerators must have done a lot of correcting as they copied the forms into the books, otherwise the general standard of spelling would be far worse than it is (as I expect we'll discover with the 1911). Not sure if they were supposed to. (Wonder how often they corrected something that was right to start with)

I had another look at this this morning... There's another layer of problem here, apart from the handwriting: the enumerator didn't know how to spell a lot of placenames! Hants, Suthampton Suffolk, Lowestoff Hants, Odiam Suffolk, Burry St Edmunds Essex, Kelevdon Essex, Southchuch Essex, Billeracay Sussex, Hasburnhamn (prob Ashburnham (Place)) That's just on two pages (and assuming I've read his handwriting correctly)! Christine

Here's her mother's marriage: Marriages Dec 1858 Coppen Ann Risbridge 4a 789 Warren John Cla(yg)don Risbridge 4a 789 and here's the family in 1871: Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish or Township County/Island View Image Ann Warren abt 1832 Great Bradley, Suffolk, England Wife Great Bradley Suffolk Elizabeth Warren abt 1854 Great Bradley, Suffolk, England Daughter Great Bradley Suffolk James Warren abt 1867 Great Bradley, Suffolk, England Son Great Bradley Suffolk John Warren abt 1836 Kirtling, Cambridgeshire, England Head Great Bradley Suffolk John Warren abt 1863 Great Bradley, Suffolk, England Son Great Bradley Suffolk Mary Jane Warren abt 1859 Great Bradley, Suffolk, England Daughter Great Bradley Suffolk Richard Warren abt 1865 Great Bradley, Suffolk, England Son Great Bradley Suffolk Susannah Warren abt 1861 Great Bradley, Suffolk, England Daughter Great Bradley Suffolk William Warren abt 1869 Great Bradley, Suffolk, England Son Great Bradley Suffolk Annie Elizabeth is Elizabeth. In 1861 they are listed as Clayden. Crista

Ancestry's BMD is sourced from the FreeBMD database. If that's the source of your checking, you can't assume there aren't any Annie Coppings born in the 1850s ... A quick look at the coverage pages on FreeBMD shows that there are very few births transcribed from 1853(Dec qtr) to 1858(Dec qtr). In that period, of the ones with any significant amount transcribed, there are fewer than 40% for 1854(Sep qtr) and 1858(Sep qtr), about 70% for 1856(Jun qtr) and about 65% for 1857(Jun qtr)... otherwise nil. Christine

Thanks for your help everyone. Yes she did marry Henry Daniels he died in 1887 Annie had 4 children one of them my Grandmother i found them on 1891 census in Rochford Workhouse without Annie found her on 1891 and 1901 alone she must have left the kids in the workhoude when her husband died Regards Mike

Thanks for trying Netti much obliged Mike

The enumerator has quite open letters and the end of her first name is a bit faint. It looks a bit like Annn or Anner or something, but I think it might be Anna (rather than Annie) The handwriting of the place is slightly different, but I hadn't thought it looked different enough to be another person - just the same person going back later, say. It should be said that the first letter we've been interpreting as an O could be any of a number of letters, especially if it isn't the same hand. Christine

Mike, Did she marry Henry Daniels? In 1891 it says Great Bradley in Norfolk, although that's in Suffolk now. Crista

Thanks Christine, Looks like i'm out of luck, much obliged for your look Mike

The line further up has 'Hants Odiam' - presumably Odiham, written as best he could. Annie's PoB is Cambs and then it looks as if it starts 'Odi' but it has what looks like a 'b' next and the end looks more like 'arn' or 'orn'... or possibly 'am' Christine

Thanks Elly, Much obliged Mike

Thanks June, I've not seen original image but couple of people who have said it was'nt Odiham but they could'nt make out what it was I think transcriber put Odiham as someone else on same census page was from there Odiham is in Hamps noy Cambs Thanks for looking for me. Mike

Mike IGI have transcribed as follows: Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability John R. BRIGHTWELL Head M Male 32 Willdall, Suffolk, England Linen Draper Eliza BRIGHTWELL Wife M Female 35 Bury St. Eds., Suffolk, England Flora BRIGHTWELL Daur U Female 7 Southend, Essex, England Scholor Hellen BRIGHTWELL Dau Female 6 Southend, Essex, England Kate BRIGHTWELL Dau Female 2 Southend, Essex, England Marey J. JOHNSON Assist U Female 24 Tea Drayton, Cambridge, England Assistant Draper Harriet A. RIDD Assist U Female 25 Lowestoft, Suffolk, England Assistant Draper Louesia COLEIN Assist U Female 28 Brixton, Surrey, England Milliner Kate E. WARRINGHAM Assist U Female 22 Lowestoft, Suffolk, England Assistant Draper Loueisa BOND Assist U Female 21 Odiham, Hampshire, England Assistant Draper Henretta E. THRINTON Servt U Female 22 Thundersely, Essex, England Servant House Maid Annie E. COPPING Servt U Female 25 Odiham, Cambridge, England Cook Elizabth. SOIRCOLIS Servt U Female 23 Eastwood, Essex, England Servant (Dom) Source Information: Dwelling 50 High Street Census Place Prittlewell, Essex, England Family History Library Film 1341426 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 1769 / 41 Page Number 26 Elly

Hi Mike, She is on L D S it says ODIHAM and she is a Cook June

hello can anyone with access to 1881 census of essex please look up Annie Elizabeth Copping B 1856 in ---------- Cambridgeshire. she is on 1881 census living in Prittlewell as a servant . A couple of people have found her for me but cant make out where in Cambridge she was born. Be grateful for any help. Regards Mike