Genealogy Chat

Hello Len, I have taken a look as you have asked me to and this is what I see... I kind of read the census return as Christian being the Head (James Gulley's) step son....therefore Ann being Christian's mum and she probably had him at 16 before marrying James....as her name on census return is Gulley....not Hay. The rest of the children I thought would be all Gulley's too as it is always in relation the the Head and it was 'ditto', hence why their names are Gulley on the future census returns.... Christian is the only Hay on the 1851 census....so he had his fathers name, whoever he is.... Maybe we could try IGI for marriage of James Gulley to an Ann in Shadwell? But I do think Len that this is your Christian, but now there is a further mystery as to his father and Ann's maiden name..... Also as Jeanette already suggested......try to ask someone with 1841 to trace Christian born 1829ish in Shadwell area..... What do you think Jeanette? Sal

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Hi Daddy Xmas, Try copy & paste & save as a Word document, then you can print it out another time. It just saves it before this thread drops off page 20!! :0) Joan

Jeanette..can`t thank you eno ugh..my printer is not working, but is it possible to print these answers out....Anybody know ?

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and his Death GULLEY, James Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 59 Quarter: June Year: 1872 District: Mile End Old Town County: London Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 363 (click to see others on page found this on freebmd but age out a little if date right on census she would have been 54 Deaths Sep 1869 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gulley Ann 57 Mile End 1c 428 just had anouther thought in the 1851 perhaps the other children where Gulley's and the person writing it down put wrong surname which means his father could have died quite early on and perhaps they married 1838 as phillip was born 1839 Jeanette

LOOK they changed their name too!!! 1861 Anne Gulley abt 1813 Wapping, Middlesex, England Wife Stepney Middlesex ==View Record Caroline Gulley abt 1846 St Georges East, Middlesex, England Daughter Stepney Middlesex ==View Record Emma Gulley abt 1851 St Georges East, Middlesex, England Daughter Stepney Middlesex ==View Record Hy Arthur Gulley abt 1855 St Georges East, Middlesex, England Son Stepney Middlesex View Record James Gulley abt 1813 London City, Middlesex, England Head Stepney Middlesex ==View Record Philip I Gulley abt 1839 St Georges East, Middlesex, England Son Stepney Middlesex ==View Record Sophia Gulley abt 1848 St Georges East, Middlesex, England Daughter Stepney Middlesex 1871 ==Record Caroline Gulley abt 1848 London, Middlesex, England Daughter Stepney London == View Record Henry Gulley abt 1855 London, Middlesex, England Son Stepney London View Record James Gulley abt 1814 London, Middlesex, England Head Stepney London View Record Jemima Gulley abt 1851 London, Middlesex, England Daughter Stepney London ==View Record Philip I Gulley abt 1840 London, Middlesex, England Son Stepney London ==View Record Sophia Gulley abt 1850 London, Middlesex, England Daughter Stepney London

just looked ancestry can't see births might have to trawl 1837 remember either side of year as census can be wrong and also if they have been registerd just thought Ann could be their mother and she remarried can't seen to see it on ancestry. Jeanette

might need to change title for as look up in 1841 have found him with a family in 1851 i think with step parents Ann Gulley abt 1815 Shadwell, Middlesex, England Wife St George in the East Middlesex View Record James Gulley abt 1815 London City Head St George in the East Middlesex View Record Caroline Hay abt 1846 St George in East, Middlesex, England Daughter St George in the East Middlesex ==View Record Christian Hay abt 1829 Shadwell, Middlesex, England Son-in-law St George in the East Middlesex View Record Emma Hay abt 1851 St George in East, Middlesex, England Daughter St George in the East Middlesex View Record Philips Hay abt 1839 St George in East, Middlesex, England Son St George in the East Middlesex View Record Sophia Hay abt 1848 St George in East, Middlesex, England Daughter St George in the East Middlesex could look for other children birth cert and get parents that way

Will try Family Search Shirley, thanks.

Thanks Jeanette. His name was CHRISTIAN HAY, born 1829 , St. George in the East..

Have you tried the Family search site? Otherwise its a lookup at the LMA for parish records. Shirley

whats his name and place of birth? Jeanette

My Grandfather was born in 1829, in St. George in the East, Tower Hamlets and I have no luck in finding his parents, Any help Please ?