Genealogy Chat

I can find my great granddad and my 2x gr granddad on the 1901 census but I can't find my 2x gr granddad or his father on any of the others! the 1901 record I can find for Charles H Cooper (head) and Thomas a Cooper (son) is RG13 - pc 1221- Fo 94- Pg 21. Charles father is named Henry T Cooper. I need HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jenna

Are they mariners or soldiers?

is this what you have for 1901? Bella Cooper abt 1876 Marylebone, Middlesex, England Wife Willesden Middlesex Charles H Cooper abt 1876 Mill End, Middlesex, England Head Willesden Middlesex Frederick C Cooper abt 1900 Kilburn, Middlesex, England Son Willesden Middlesex Thomas A Cooper abt 1895 Kilburn, Middlesex, England Son Willesden Middlesex Ada Leveridge abt 1888 Kilburn, Middlesex, England Sister Willesden Middlesex I'm alittle confused - So are you saying you'd like to find them in 1891 ? It' s a lot easier if you just put the details of who you want to find and in which cenus Esta :)

Esta, that is exactly what I want to do, but i've tried and can't find them. heather according to what I've got Charles is a carman.

I'll have a look !.........although what you really need is Charles and Bellas MC which wouldgive you their fathers and make finding them easier !........or do you already have it ?

Esta I do have the marriage cert, Charles Henry Cooper married Isabella Leveridge in July 31 1898 Charles's father Henry thomas Cooper was a brewer but is deceased on the cert, Bella's father was Henry Leveridge and was a labourer.

thought I had him then in 1891 Mother Marian/mary ann but when I went back to 1881 fathers name was Allan !! You don't know the name of any siblings do you ?.......Just looking for more clues !

Right - in 1891 Isabella was is Willesden so hopefully he's not too far away !

I've just looked on the marriage cert and it looks like it was wittnessed by an Alfred Edward Cooper could be a brother? And at the time Charles was living at 140 Cambridge Road, Kilburn, middlesex

No Luck Jenna sorry - I've had a look but it is a common name. Might be worth trying for Charles BC then you would have both parents names and finding him would be a lot easier Good Luck ESta

thanks for the help.

This could be them in 1881....... Henry COOPER Head M Male 37 Hackney, Middlesex, England Brewers Labourer Ann COOPER Wife M Female 39 Bishops Stortford, Hertford, England Fredk. COOPER Son U Male 14 Bethl Green, Middlesex, England Alfred COOPER Son U Male 9 Bethl Green, Middlesex, England Charles COOPER Son U Male 6 Bethl Green, Middlesex, England This was the only Charles/Henry combination with remotely the right occupation, using the LDS search, where you can look for two people at once. It relies on Henry being the head of house in 1881, though and obviously the family could have been lodging in a house, or Henry might have already been dead. Maybe just to keep as a possibility? OH!! UPDATE!!....the same family in 1891, below, and Henry has now died, which fits his son's marriage cert. Secondly, Charles now has the correct middle initial. 1891: Cooper, Ann Eliz abt 1841 Herefordshire, England Head St Marylebone London Cooper, Chas H abt 1875 Bethnal Green, London, England Son St Marylebone London Cooper, Albert E abt 1883 Bethnal Green, London, England Son St Marylebone London It would be very normal for Charles to say his late dad was a brewer, rather than brewer's labourer, on his marriage cert......lots of people were ''upgraded'' in this way!! Merry

1871: Henry Cooper abt 1844 Hackney, Middlesex, England Head St Matthew Bethnal Green London Ann Cooper abt 1841 Bishops Stortford, Hertfordshire, England Wife St Matthew Bethnal Green London Frederick W Cooper abt 1867 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Son St Matthew Bethnal Green London Henry was a brewers labourer! Merry

1861: This MIGHT be Henry in 1861......He is an oilmans porter in the household of Charles Washington, oilman, aged 127....no, that can't be right....aged 27! Henry Cooper abt 1844 Hackney, Middlesex, England Servant Westminster St Clement Danes Middlesex 1851: Well, that's typical, isn't it????????Go back ten years and there are now TWO Henry's....so cannot know which is yours (if either!) without some certs..... Henry Cooper abt 1844 Hackney, Middlesex, England Son Hackney Middlesex Henry Cooper abt 1845 Hackney, Middlesex, England Grandson Hackney Middlesex Merry

Hi Merry, thanks for the help, it might be them, I know that the names frederick, charles and henry and thomas( henry's middle name) tend to run in the family as Charles had two son's called Thomas and Frederick. Once again thanks for the help.