Genealogy Chat

hi i wonder if anyone can help me i am trying to find some information on my grandmothers mother and father the trouble is i dont know where they where born or dates of birth i only have their names from my grandmothers birth certificate my grandmothers name was mary annie waterfield born in march 16 1916 in dalston her mothers name was annie sarah knight and her father was albert george waterfield my grandmother had 1 brother bert or possib albert waterfield and 2 sisters winifred and doris but thats all i kjnow i would appreciate any help anyone can give me thankyou kerry suden[nee]mead

Hi Kerry, You need to buy the parents marriage cert - this will give you their approx ages and the names and occupations for the bride and grooms fathers (hopefully!). Here's the ref.....do you know how to but the cert???!! Surname Forename(s) Spouse District Page No Event Quarter Year Waterfield Albert G Knight Shoreditch.1c 93 Marriage 4 1912 Merry

This looks as if he could be yours: Name: Albert George Waterfield Death Year: [1985] Age: 86 Birth Date: 13 Nov 1898 Death Registration Month/Year: Aug 1985 Registration District: Lewisham Inferred County: Greater London Inferred Country: England Christine

this is probably the matching birth record: Name: Waterfield, Albert George Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1899 District: St Olave Southwark County: London Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 227 Christine

Here are all the birth records 1912-1920 inc. where the surname is Waterfield and the mother's name is Knight: Surname Forename(s) Mothers maiden name District Page No Event Quarter Year Waterfield Albert R Knight Hackney.1b 868 Birth 1 1915 Waterfield Elsie P Knight Hackney.1b 827 Birth 4 1913 Waterfield John A Knight Croydon.2a 609 Birth 3 1920 Waterfield Mary A Knight Hackney.1b 833 Birth 2 1916 Obviosly inc the one you already have! Merry

And if the records Christine found are the right ones (maybe you know roughly if he died in 1985??) then this would be him on the 1901 census with his family: Waterfield abt 1898 Bermondsey, London, England Daughter Bermondsey London >>>>Albert Waterfield abt 1899 Bermondsey, London, England Son Bermondsey London Edith Waterfield abt 1895 Bermondsey, London, England Daughter Bermondsey London Edward Waterfield abt 1872 Walworth, London, England Head Bermondsey London Edward Waterfield abt 1894 Spitalfields, London, England Son Bermondsey London Maria Waterfield abt 1871 Spitalfields, London, England Wife Bermondsey London His father, Edward, was an Engine Fitter. The daughter b 1898, above, was actually 2 weeks old on the census, not two years.....this is probably why she didn't have a first name yet! Merry

This looks a possible family, in 1901, for the Albert I found above: Source information: RG13/391 Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: Bermondsey ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Folio: 12 Page: 16 Household schedule number: 108 Maria Waterfield abt 1871 Spitalfields, London, England Wife Edward Waterfield abt 1872 Walworth, London, England Head , engineer fitter Edward Waterfield abt 1894 Spitalfields, London, England Son Edith Waterfield abt 1895 Bermondsey, London, England Daughter Bermondsey London Albert Waterfield abt 1899 Bermondsey, London, England Son Bermondsey London baby Waterfield 1901 Bermondsey, London, England Daughter Bermondsey London (2 weeks old) Without something more specific, it would be hard to be certain that this lot is yours - even if it looks plausible. Christine Merry got there first!

I would get the marriage cert in any case.....you will prob need it to sort out the bride!! (Yes, Christine, but you laid it out nicely!!) Merry

hi there thankyou all for replying to my quest however christine i do know that my grandmothers father died quite young am not sure what age around about in his 30s i think so that cant be his death the other information looks very promising thankyou am just wondering about the marriage cert i dont know when they married or is the information that was put on the board is that it am sounding a bit daft here but am still relatively new to all this so do apologise thankyou all again kind regards kerry suden[nee]mead

Well then I guess the collection we found isn't your direct lot. However, it's probably worth storing on one side. They're the right (uncommon) name and from the right general area. the name-overlap just makes it even more likely that there is a ocnnection somewhere - cousins or something. Christine PS - thank you for your kind words, Merry!

To buy the marriage cert you need this info: Waterfield Albert G Knight Shoreditch.1c 93 Marriage 4 1912 That's the grooms name bride's surname District where the marriage took place (Shoreditch) Volume Number 1c Page number 93 and the year and quarter the event occurred: 1912 Q4 Using this info and you credit or debit card (or better still the credit or debit card of someone else who would like to buy this for you!)...go to this site: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/index.asp#0 and order the marriage cert. For a standard service cert (ie NOT a priority one) never pay more than £7. If it looks as if you are being billed for more, then you have clicked the wrong box somewhere. There is a bit that asks you if you know the GRO index info.....that is the numbers above (1c and 93) so say ''Yes'' to that question!! Good Luck Merry

hi merry i have ordered birth certs on here before and actually one on the phone and they have always charged £11.50 is it something am doing wrong or is it just me i know the lady on the phone said you can go to your nearest place gro and that way it would cost you £7 i dont know thankyou for all your help and christine thanks for your tip on keeping this stuff to one side i will do i keep everything just incase kind regards to everyone i have missed out thankyou all

They charge more for phone requests and more if you don't have those reference numbers. You could order from a local reg office if the marriage had been somewhere rural (probably) but I very much doubt a London Reg office would provide that service (most London offices don't do Family History certs). If you don't have a credit card, find someone who does who you trust and give them the cash........LOL Merry

hi merry and oz bird i have just ordered the marriage cert and paid£7 i think your right if you dont have refer number they charge more thats why i have paid more when ordeing online because i didnt have that information thankyou ozie bird for all your help as wellhopfully all the information you have given is right which am certain it is i cant thankyou all enough and cant wait to get marriage cert to see what it will reveal much to the groans of my husband!!who thinks i spend far too much time with all this and dosnt have a clue what am talking about when i tell him stuff about this at the moment he is fast asleep because i am the computer!!best wishes kerry suden[nee]mead