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My husband's Jewish great-great grandfather is mistranscribed on all the censuses where I've found him: 1861 Juseman Hart abt 1855 Whitechapel Son 6 1881 Lusman Hart abt 1854 Whitechapel, head fishmonger 1891 Hart, Guesman abt 1854 Aldgate Head fish salesman 1901 Quisman Hart abt 1854 Aldgate Head fishmonger own account On various certificates he appears as Zusman, Zuseman, Zuesman. Anyone want to take any bets on how he's recorded in 1871 census before I take a peek? nell

Here we go Tuesman Hart!!!! nell

Hi Little Nell, So just how long did it take you to go through all the surname varients? I thought I was having a bad time with the name Taylor! Louise

Ooh! another mistranscription thread. :-) Joy

Lou I just looked for HART b. 1854ish somewhere in London. My trained eye leapt at Tuesman! Mind you, Zusman's father is a problem too. He is Solomon on Zusman's birth cert, Zalig on Zusman's marriage cert and Solomon Zalig on his death cert. On the census he is recorded as Telig and Faicy!!!! nell

Hi Nell, I have just done the name Ackers - which never appeared as spelt right I had to go through all the Ashurst and Ashtons every census. But the worst bit is when I have view the orginals it is spelt Ackers everytime. Regards - Louise

One of my rellies is mis-spelled on every census except the 1881. For years I wondered why his other details in 1881 looked very strange.....until I got the image from Ancestry. Turned out he had been entered by mistake as he was ''Touring Europe'' in 1881! LOL So the only time his name was right, he shouldn't have been there! LOL ALWAYS SOURCE THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT! lol Merry

'Touring Europe'? Lucky blighter. Most of my relatives were lucky if they ever got out of the county in which they were born, let alone the country!

LOl nell......he was my solitary rich rellie (left 25million in today's money and most of that to charity!!) ........he only ''married in'' - my gggg-aunt hit the jackpot - he was only ''ordinary'' when they met....they were married for over 67 years and she lived to be 100 LOL But even the rich suffer....they lost most of their children and one of the two survivors became a certified lunatic :O(( ....(maybe that's where I get it from??!) Merry

Merry I have 2 certified lunatics - one of them criminally insane - in my tree, but no millionaires! nell

LOL....do you do the lottery? Maybe you can be the first one in your tree? Merry

Helen, There could have been some confusion caused by the lack of the 'umlaut' punctuation mark (two dots over a vowel) that appears in the German alphabet, but not in the English one. When translating German words and names into the English alphabet, I was taught that the same sound is represented by an 'e' inserted after the vowel that should have the umlaut above it, hence - Zuessman or Zuesman would be pronounced the same way as Zussman or Zusman with an umlaut above the letter 'u' and an initial letter 'Z' would be pronounced 'Ts'. When learning German (Hochdeutsch), I was taught that the sound made by 'ue' in German is like saying 'ee' with the mouth in position for an 'oo' sound, instead of the short 'u' sound in the standard English pronunciation of the word 'up'. Apart from all that, the SoG lecturers I encountered at last year's London SoG Fair were very keen to impress upon us all that most people could barely read, let alone spell, and Census enumerators were just as likely to mis-spell what they were told as be told the wrong info! Can't win really, can we? I was very amused to encounter my Simey ancestors in Censuses as 'Seiney' and 'Swing', my Grandmother Eleanora's name spelt as 'Elenorer' and 'Ellenora', and my Pescod ancestors as 'Peskett', 'Piscot', 'Piscod' and 'Peasgod'. I think 'Please, God?' might be more appropriate! CB >|<

Nell, Remember you found my Hague rellie as Teague. I didnt find it before you did. There is no telling is there. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU! Fi x

Fi Happy new year to you and Lily! Not sure my husband's family could afford umlauts! I found that Zalig is a corruption of Zelig, but have not yet found where the Harts originated. I'm guessing Eastern Europe as they worshipped at the Great Synagogue which was for Ashkenazim Jews. nell