Genealogy Chat

I don't think the bit I want is missing as the enumeration districts for the area appear to be complete. nell

According to Merry's thread (which I've just nudged up), these are the parts of London missing from the 1861: Completely Missing: 145 - All of Islington East, sub to Islington District, Middlesex 219 - All of West London South, sub to West London District, London (Though Ancestry say 219 is completely missing, 1700 names do appear!!) 407 - All of Woolwich Arsenal, sub to Woolwich District, London Partly Missing: 217 - Part of West London North, sub to West London North District, London 220 - Part of London South West, sub to City of London District 229 - Part of London North East, sub to City of London District I'm sure a few of mine are in one of these areas. Kate.

Veronica Thank you for your continuing help. Yes I did go through the enumeration districts, but one of them took me straight to the census pages, one of them is a tally sheet, so they weren't any use. The ones that covered Playhouse Yard don't give the numbers, and Playhouse Yard is on at least 2 different enumeration districts, one was southside and appeared to be odd numbers only. The other one had a few households, then another street altogether, then some more, but I know I haven't found all the houses, including no. 26. Thanks anyway! I keep feeling there must be a simpler way! nell

Nell Don't know if its any help and you probably already have done this - below is the search route I took in Ancestry and it gave me the enumeration districts and you can click on each one and go page by page - lots of work but I recognized the street names as some of the ones in your info. Search > Census > UK Census Collection > 1861 England Census > Middlesex > St Luke > Whitecross Street 1861 England Census Please choose an enumeration district in Whitecross Street: District 1 View description of enumeration district District 2 View description of enumeration district District 3 View description of enumeration district District 4 View description of enumeration district District 5 View description of enumeration district District 6 View description of enumeration district District 7 View description of enumeration district District 8 View description of enumeration district District 9 View description of enumeration district District 10 View description of enumeration district District 11 View description of enumeration district District 12 View description of enumeration district District 13 View description of enumeration district District 14 View description of enumeration district District 15 View description of enumeration district District 16 View description of enumeration district District 17 View description of enumeration district District Unknown Institution View description of enumeration district Veronica in Canada

No luck so far. But have managed to discover I need RG9/4543 by a circuitous route. Just wish I would find which folio! nell

Veronica What a good suggestion! I will check right now. nell

Have you tried looking for perhaps a name that appeared above or below them on the 1851 census to see if they appear on the 1861. Or perhaps he was INSIDE again and Caroline and children where with her family. What was her maiden name? Just a thought. Veronica in Canada

Glenys and Heather Thanks for looking. This is driving me nuts. I need the 1861 to confirm family members. I think I will just have to go through all the census pages for the area - but I might wait till I get up to London. It's easier going through microfilm than waiting for Ancestry to load each page!!! nell

I even had a look at Caroline ? Theres dozens of CR inmates in lunatic asylums and prisons. I wish they had been a bit more accurate. Sorry Nell

Hi, Nell - tried Robbins, rather than Robins, in both London and Middx, (you never know! lol) but no joy. Didn't do an extensive search though - maybe they're hidden there somewhere. Frustrating, isn't it! x

Veronica Thanks, I did see that bit, but I don't know and can't seem to find out which areas those piece numbers cover!!!! nell

Helen Not to be toooo discouraging but portions of the 1861 London census are missing. below is the list from Ancestry of missing and know problems. (Ibelieve London begins with 1) Known problems with 1861 piece numbers: Pieces from RG9 where all parishes are missing (we do not have ANY records for these pieces): 145 407 903 1234 4015 4131 4196 4344 219 601 1039 3388 4022 4137 4291 4389 Pieces from RG9 where one or more parishes are missing (we have SOME records for these pieces): 217 690 2211 3913 4027 4143 4173 4211 4265 4295 4330 220 758 2247 3984 4041 4146 4174 4225 4266 4298 229 837 2365 3991 4077 4149 4178 4228 4270 4299 473 863 2625 4010 4078 4154 4184 4231 4272 4301 485 952 3278 4013 4079 4161 4185 4256 4274 4304 499 1047 3652 4014 4132 4163 4187 4261 4276 4309 541 1194 3735 4024 4133 4164 4190 4262 4280 4314 565 1984 3855 4025 4138 4165 4202 4263 4290 4319 Veronica in Canada

Cannot find Robins family on census 1861. 1851 details 1851 HO107/1522 418 p.35 7 New Court Whitecross Street St Luke's. William Robins abt 1825 Cripplegate Head mar 26 paper stainer Caroline Robins abt 1831 St Luke Wife mar 20 William Robins abt 1847 St Luke Son 4 Charles Robins abt 1850 St Luke Son 8 months 1866 Caroline Sarah Robins was born 26 Playhouse Yard, Golden Lane/Whitecross Street, St Lukes. 1871 [William senior is in Parkhurst Prison, Isle of Wight!] RG10/405 59 p.34 26 Playhouse Yard Court, Golden Lane, St Lukes Caroline Robins abt 1831 London City Head married 40 general dealer Have tried looking for various first names + date of birth +/- 5 years. Nothing. So I thought I would try going through the census areas - there are 17 enumeration districts for Whitecross Street. Can't get all the descriptions to work and have been through various census pages which have various numbers for Playhouse Yard but NOT the bit including 26!!!! Can;t work out where this bit of Playhouse Yard would be - can't find further details from Nat Archives either. Please help!

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