Genealogy Chat

You may want to get the ciggie rolling machine out Merry and Jess. See below

James Hanson marries Mary Ann Wyles 1853 Whitechapel 1861 census: Mary Ann and youngest son James born April 1860 is missing. Other son is with grandparents. James is at his workshop with 2 little girls, Catherine and Mary Ann. HANSON, James Wm Head Married M 29 Cabinet Carver Employing 1... Shadwell Middlesex HANSON, Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 7 Scholar Shoreditch HANSON, Catherine Daughter F 8 Scholar Shoreditch V --------------------------------------------- 1871 No sign of Mary Ann Hanson or the two little girls and James has a 'housekeeper' living with him with a daughter called Phoebe who is most likely hers(same name). James is shown as married. The 'housekeeper' Phoebe Pearce is shown as unmarried. 1871 census: Daniel Hanson 4 Newington Son St Mary Newington London James Hanson 39 Shadwell Head St Mary Newington London James Hanson 10 Shadwell St Mary Newington London Phoebe Hanson 6 Newington Daughter St Mary Newington London William Hanson 12 Shadwell Son St Mary Newington London Phoebe Pearce 22 Bethural Green Housekeeper St Mary Newington So, does this mean that Mary Ann Hanson was still alive? I have trawled for a death in right time and area with no luck so far. But James has already shacked up with someone else?

oh no - Have you vanished Heather??

LOL yes practicing for the year 2101 - when my descendants are looking for me!

A man left with young children when his wife died would often get hooked up with another woman pretty darned quickly.

Perhaps James' dad wasn't James senior and James senior chucked out mother and son saying 'never darken my door again' and then got Phoebe to be a mum to the older girls? Oops, no, he has younger son with him. nell

But he is shown as married, not widowed? Phoebe is shown as housekeeper. In 1881 she is elevated to post of wife.

This is what happened to me Heather. My 2xGGrandmother has one daughter, then gets married. She has 2 more children with him, then he disappears. She then 'shacks up' with another bloke and goes on to have another 6 children. He then disappears, leaving her alone in 1901 lol I hope that didn't happen to your lot :)

Of course Mary Ann could be shacked up with another chap, and pretending to be married to him. When and where was she born? do you have her dad's name and occupation from the marriage cert - she might have gone back home, maybe in 1861 to show off the new baby, and maybe in 1871 she was living there for good as husband had taken up with a 'floozy'! nell

Have James (my GGF) birth cert - gives Mary Ann as mum and James as dad. And this Phoebe is only a slip of a girl. Ive tracked her family down and she has a bro called Daniel - noticed she named youngest boy in the Hanson household Daniel.

Mary Ann Wyles (dad William Castledine Wyles, mum Catherine Alford) born St George in the East 1832 1851 Census living at Bethnal Green William Wyles Head aged 49 letter sorter born Lincoln Burg le Marsh Catherine Wyles Wife aged 39 Upholsterer born Surrey, Lambeth Mary Ann Wyles dau aged 18 Upholsterer born Middlesex St George East Louisa Wyles dau aged 7 ?Scholar born Middx St George Catherine Wyles dau aged 2 Scholar born Middx St George I have found a Mary Ann Hanson and Catherine Hanson who are the rightish ages to be the daughters in the 1861with James - both servants. What do you reckon on this death? Hanson Mary Ann 49 Whitechapel.1c 235 Death 1 1881

Everyone given up like i have?? Ok, Im off to bed now, 6 hours kip awaits me. Nite nite everyone. Its been fun as always.

Well, I have to discard that death as I have found a Mary Ann and her family living in the area who would have been same age.