Genealogy Chat

In 1861 Thomas Phillips was living with his young wife Ann, and his Uncle Henry in West Brom Staffs. I know at the time of the wedding, a baby was on the way, but I cannot find a marriage for this pair. I know there is a Thomas Phillips and an Ann Hains on bmd, but according to the reg office this Thomas Phillips did not marry Ann Hains. Can anybody find a Thomas and Ann marriage in Staffs

Where was Ann born, Lynda? Have you tried westmidlands bmd and staffordshire bmd? Heather

This may be a stupid question, but can you please explain how you know there was a baby on the way when they got married if you haven't found their marriage? Kate.

Lynda did they have children? If you can get one of the childrens birth certs. It will give you their mothers name. Georgina.

This is the only one I could find on Staffordshire BMD, but probably not the right one: Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1855 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference PHILLIPS Thomas THOMPSON Ann Stoke, St Peter Stoke-On-Trent 31/11/012 None on West Midlands BMD, which includes West Bromwich though I'm not sure if it is complete for all West Bromwich marriages in that period. As has been suggested above, you really need to get the birth certificate of one of the children to find out Ann's maiden name. Also, it could be that Ann was just her middle name but she was known as Ann! Kate.

Thomas Phillips married Mary A Harris in Dudley 1859

When & where was Thomas born? Georgina.

Lynda, Kate could have the right marriage .... 1861 census. Ann Philips abt 1843 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Wife Willenhall Staffordshire Henry Philips abt 1821 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Uncle Willenhall Staffordshire Thomas Philips abt 1841 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Head Willenhall Staffordshire 1851 census.. Abraham Thompson abt 1812 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Head Willenhall Staffordshire Ann Thompson abt 1842 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Willenhall Staffordshire Eliza Thompson abt 1836 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Willenhall Staffordshire Elizabeth Thompson abt 1831 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Willenhall Staffordshire Fanny Thompson abt 1843 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Willenhall Staffordshire Jane Thompson abt 1808 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Wife Willenhall Staffordshire Very possible age and place of birth fits. Georgina.

Right so this is them in 1871 then Samuel Banks abt 1843 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Boarder Willenhall Staffordshire - Key Maker >>Ann Phillips abt 1842 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Wife Willenhall Staffordshire Henry Phillips abt 1819 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Uncle Willenhall Staffordshire - Key Maker Martha Phillips abt 1871 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Willenhall Staffordshire (3 weeks old) >>Thomas Phillips abt 1843 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Head Willenhall Staffordshire - Key Stamper Thomas Phillips abt 1862 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Son Willenhall Staffordshire - Scholar Living at 10 Old Sq. in 1881 >>Ann Phillips abt 1842 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Wife 1 Old Square Court No 2 Lower Lichfield St, Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Arthur Phillips abt 1875 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Son 1 Old Square Court No 2 Lower Lichfield St, Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Martha Phillips abt 1871 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Daughter 1 Old Square Court No 2 Lower Lichfield St, Willenhall, Staffordshire, England >>Thomas Phillips abt 1843 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Head 1 Old Square Court No 2 Lower Lichfield St, Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Thomas Phillips abt 1862 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Son 1 Old Square Court No 2 Lower Lichfield St, Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Thomas and Thomas are Key Stampers, Martha and Arthur are scholars.

Err... surely that Ann is too young to have got married in 1855?! Kate.

many thanks for the replies. I thought there might be a baby on the way because of their ages, on 1861 censu, and the eldest child age on the following census 1871-1881. As far as I know Thomas & Ann were both born in staffs, and so were their children. I always thought Ann was her given christian name, I am not sure about mary-ann harris.Their daughter Martha is my g Grandmother, and Ann is living with her on the 1901 census. sorry for the late reply, i am looking after my 5 wk old granddaughter, so I am barely awake!!

Lynda this looks like Martha's birth registration... Births Jun 1871 Phillips Martha Wolverhampton 6b 566 Georgina.

again many thanks, will send for marha's brith cert

These may be The children (not to sure with the youngest of the 3 children) BIRTHS Name: Thomas Phillips Year of Registration: 1861 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Wolverhampton County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands Volume: 6b Page: 437 Name: Martha Phillips Year of Registration: 1871 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Wolverhampton County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands Volume: 6b Page: 566 Name: Arthur Phillips Year of Registration: 1876 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Wolverhampton County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands Volume: 6b Page: 523 Name: Arthur Henry Phillips Year of Registration: 1875 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Wolverhampton County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands Volume: 6b Page: 588 Name: Arthur Harry Phillips Year of Registration: 1875 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Wolverhampton County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands Volume: 6b Page: 592 MARRIAGES Name: Thomas Phillips Year of Registration: 1860 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Dudley County: Staffordshire, Worcestershire Volume: 6c Page: 200 Also on Page: Cunnigam Mary HAYNES Ann Marriages Sep 1858 Gordon Merelina Victoria King's N. 6c 570 Ledsam William Kings N. 6c 570 Phillips Thomas Smit_ Kings N 6c 570 Williams Ann Kings N. 6c 570 Please remember that girls could marry at 12 and boys at 14 until the 1920's, So Ann could marry from 1854 and Thomas fron 1857. They could also have married after having children

Okay, she could in theory have married that young, but it is very very unlikely! Kate.