Genealogy Chat

I have a JOHN WILLIAM (at birth registered WILLIAM) but my promlem is a JOSEPH W. The family name is unusual enough for me to be sure that births from 1837 to 1960 ish are likely to be my extended family if not my direct line, so how come i have an name (from the absent voters register 1918 living close to my family) and medal record for the same but can find no birth or even close match, To vote he must have been over 21 and to fight say up to 60 giving a birth range of roughly 1860-1897 yet i can find no birth record for him. pondering yet another mystery. Joan

have a JOHN WILLIAM (at birth registered WILLIAM) but my promlem is a JOSEPH W. The family name is unusual enough for me to be sure that births from 1837 to 1960 ish are likely to be my extended family if not my direct line, so how come i have an name (from the absent voters register 1918 living close to my family) and medal record for the same but can find no birth or even close match, To vote he must have been over 21 and to fight say up to 60 giving a birth range of roughly 1860-1897 yet i can find no birth record for him. pondering yet another mystery. Joan

Would this be him? (typo!!): Name: Joseph William Oyzer Year of Registration: 1886 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Leeds (1837-1929) County: West Riding Of Yorkshire Volume: 9b Page: 450 (click to see others on page) Richard

Richard, I've looked on family relatives and printed off births from 1866 - 1920 and no sign of this one, have also checked upto dec1865 on 1837 so spent a fortune and still missed out. Does this mean that Family relatives is not complete? Thanks so much any way Joan.

Joan No, he is listed on FamilyRelatives - just that the name is mispelt OYZER rather than OZYER! Richard

are these yours 1901census Ada M Ozyer abt 1897 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Daughter Leeds Yorkshire Christopher J Ozyer abt 1900 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Son Leeds Yorkshire Clifford R Ozyer abt 1892 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Son Leeds Yorkshire Edith E Ozyer abt 1877 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Servant Preston Lancashire John W Ozyer abt 1860 Shropshire, England Head Leeds Yorkshire Mary A Ozyer abt 1860 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Wife Leeds Yorkshire same JW in 1891 . was joseph his brother or his son?? James W M Ozyer abt 1887 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Son Leeds Yorkshire John Wm Ozyer abt 1860 Ludlow, Shropshire, England Head Leeds Yorkshire Mary Ann Ozyer abt 1860 Hunsingore, Yorkshire, England Wife Leeds Yorkshire

Is these yours 1871 Wales William Ozyer abt 1803 Ludlow, Shropshire, England Boarder Buckton and Coxall Radnorshire 1871~ Is this your John William Mary Oyzer abt 1796 Ludlow, Shropshire, England Mother Ludlow St Lawrence Shropshire William Oyzer abt 1859 Ludlow, Shropshire, England Son Ludlow St Lawrence Shropshire 1881 Fanny Skelton abt 1838 Head Edith Ozyer abt 1877 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Niece 23 St James Street, Leeds, Yorkshire, England George Ozyer abt 1839 Ludlow, Shropshire, England Brother in Law 23 St James Street, Leeds, Yorkshire, England John W. Ozyer abt 1860 Ludlow, Shropshire, England Boarder Ackworth Lodge, Ackworth, Yorkshire, England Sarah Ozyer abt 1874 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Niece 23 St James Street, Leeds, Yorkshire, England 1891 Sarah Oyzer abt 1871 Ludlow, Shropshire, England Boarder Leeds Yorkshire Zoe

Took a while, but I found him.... 1891 Charles Chadwick, Head, 50, Pudsey Leeds Emily '', wife, 41, Leeds Ernest Ozyer, son in law(step son), 7, Leeds Joseph W Ozyer, '', 4, Leeds 6 Whitehall Street, Leeds (Joseph transcribed as Opper!! RG12/3694 Folio: 105 Page: 26 1901 Charles Chadwick abt 1840 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Head Wortley Yorkshire Elizabeth Chadwick abt 1850 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Wife Wortley Yorkshire John W Dayer abt 1887 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Stepson Wortley Yorkshire RG13/4208 Folio: 108 Page: 4

and here's Charles & Emily's marriage: Marriages Jun 1888 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brown Benjamin Charles Leeds 9b 726 Chadwick Charles Leeds 9b 726 FAWCETT Isabella Leeds 9b 726 OZYER Emily Leeds 9b 726 and Ernest's birth: Births Mar 1884 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ozyer Ernest Leeds 9b 444 Richard

Many thanks to all. I had most of the details apart from the birth of Joseph, and the where abouts of Ernest. Certificates are ordered in priority ie need to confirm or eliminate the relation ship,I did feel that Ernest was the child of George Ozyer so he was a cousin on my direct line, and as such on the to get list, this now seems to be wrong parent and it explains why i couldn't find him with the known family. So OrangeBlossom--- please tell me how did you manage to identify them. I knew of the Ozyer/Chadwick marriage but as not direct line never searched the census under that name but the children never came up on any search i've done. Zoe , thanks yes that is my John william with his mum and new husband and her mum mary ozyer. Again thanks to all for above and beyond tha call . One last request anyone got the winning lottery numbers for Wednesday as i think i'll need it to pay for the certs i want!!

Joan, it was mainly pot luck. When I couldn't find him under the correct spelling, I looked for anything ending in 'er' that could look like 'Ozy' in the wrong handwriting lol

Thanks Orangeblossom have tried using wildcards when looking but always at the end, never thought of at the start. Thanks again for the help with it, hopefully return the favour one day. joan

Thats also how I found Joseph's birth - I tried different possibilities of how the name could have been mis-spelt. Oyzer seemed like a good one to try for Ozyer, and bingo! Uncommon names are a double-edged sword - they are easier to determine the family connections as there are less of them around, but they are more often mis-transcribed as the transcribers aren't familiar with the name. You can't use wildcards at the beginning of words on Ancestry by the way - you must have at least 3 characters before the * . Therefore, it's a case of trial and error, and trying likely combinations. Richard