Genealogy Chat

When this appears on marriage details, does anyone know if this means they were actually born in the parish, or would it apply to someone who had lived in the parish for a certain number of years but hadn't necessarily been born there. Thanks. Bev x

I always thought it meant born & lived in a parish.........maybe I'm wrong

Of this parish only means 'this is where we are calling the banns because you live here' I think you only needed residence of about three weeks to be otp.

Hi Bev, Of this parish, means that they had lived in the parish long enought, to not have the banns called in another parish. That might have varied from vicar to vicar? The definitely didn't have to be born there. Debbie

Thank you! That explains why I can't find the blinkin births in the parish records then ........... swear, swear, swear. Bev x

It's just where they were living (or where they SAID they were living, which isn't the same thing) at the time of the marriage. It definitely doesn't give any indication as to where they were born. I was looking at my gtgtgt grandparents' marriage entry yesterday. My gt x3 grandfather Emmets was born in Whichford, married in Whichford, died and was buried in Whichford. He lived in Whichford all his life. I thought he needed to get out more, so was glad to see that on his actual marriage (in Whichford, remember) it says he was 'of the parish of Long Compton' (which is of course, near Whichford). nell

This won't be so easy Helen - this is c 1760 so parish records are all I have! If gggggrandfather and co. (wife doesn't appear to have been born in village either!) weren't born where I thought they were born, I haven't a clue WHERE they were born! Thought I was onto a winner because there are loads of both family names there. Just to complicate it, the village is right on county border, so now I don't actually know which county they were born in either, booo hooo. Bev x

Bev I've always been told that at pre-railway times, ancestors generally didn't go further than 10 miles away from their birthplace. You need to look at the parishes outside the marriage parish and move out in a circle. Of course they are on a county border. Who said family history was all plain sailing? Mind you, sometimes it's tricky finding records even when you DO know the right parish! nell

Check out the settlement orders of the parish. Although I haven't used them for my own research (yet) they do state where someone came from. I think they would only apply to the working classes though as I guess middle and upper would have the means to support themselves.

Thanks Janet, that would suit me Janet - I'd be amazed if this lot were anything other than agri labs! But sods law being what it is ......................!!!!! Bev x

This site may produce references: http://www.a2a.org.uk/ Poor law records can definitely help. I checked some records for one chap whose family appeared in a Surrey village in the 1720s, and they had come from Berkshire! Nell is right that in general people don't move very far, but some are swine and move long distances, even in the 1700s. Have you looked at wills? The families of paupers circa 1800 had ancestors making wills in the 1750s. Enclosure acts in the period turned labourers into paupers, so you may well find them in all sorts of unexpected places earlier on.

Thanks all, this is so annoying because I was convinced this was one brick wall that was going to be demolished with ease! I can't even get any clues from LDS site, cos that's down!! Going to go sulk and eat some chocolate. Bev x

Do you know what his trade was? Perhaps there is an Apprenticeship Indenture. Even farm labourers and domestic servants were apprenticed, and many children were sent outside their parish even if their own family could have taught them a trade. Anyone who had served an apprenticeship would earn the right to stay in that parish.

Fraid not. All I had were two names, a marriage date and place. Bev x