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My ancestor Peter Pole seems to have given a different birthplace on each census! He has given Oxford on one, London on another and it says 'N.JE' on a third. Does anyone know what this abbreviation could stand for? Thanks

I am no good a geography. New Jersey? Just a wild guess (probably totally wrong!!)

is this him ? 1881 Catherine Pole abt 1828 Oxfordshire, England -wife Catherine E. Pole abt 1865 Hoxton, Middlesex, England Daughter Shoreditch London Peter Pole abt 1829 London, London, Middlesex, England Head Shoreditch London Yes , must be 1871 Catherine A Pole abt 1828 Oxfordshire, England Wife Shoreditch London Catherine E Pole abt 1866 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter Shoreditch London Peter Pole abt 1829 Oxfordshire, England Head Shoreditch London Sarah A E Pole abt 1854 St Luke, Middlesex, England Daughter Shoreditch London 1861 -journeyman baker going to look at the image Catherine Pole abt 1829 Oxfordshire, England Wife Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Peter Pole abt 1828 N Head Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Sarah A Pole abt 1854 London, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex 1851- dont suppose they asked him so tend to disregard these 'in service' ones Fredk Miller abt 1799 Northam, Sussex, England Head St Luke Old Street Middlesex Fredk Miller abt 1827 St Luke, Middlesex, England Son St Luke Old Street Middlesex Jas Miller abt 1831 St Luke, Middlesex, England Son St Luke Old Street Middlesex Mary Miller abt 1808 Hawkhurst, Kent, England Wife St Luke Old Street Middlesex >> Peter Pole abt 1829 London, Middlesex, England Servant St Luke Old Street Middlesex Martha Thompson abt 1817 London, England Servant St Luke Old Street Middlesex from the IGi - maybe yours , but maybe not of course bad luck if it is!! PETER POLE Male Event(s): Birth: Christening: 17 FEB 1828 Foundling Hospital Church Of England, Saint Pancras, London, England

I would go with London - it looks like Oxfordshire was transposed with his wife's place of birth. Do you have their marriage? So where is the N.JE bit guys? If its just N or NK - means someone just told the enumerator - dont know.

hi jacqui I think you can assume that Peter was born in London. I agree that Oxford was meant for his wife only. Do you think the N.Je you mention could be N.Te ? The rest of the J`s on the page seem to be more 'fancy' I think this could well be an area of North London but obviously I can`t be sure. Eileen

Hello Again I`ve just had another look at the 1861census on Ancestry. Your Peter is on Page 16,if you go back to page 13 you will see at the top of the page an Alfred King and the letter K is written the same as what you thought was JE. So Peter`s place of birth was given as N.K. or Not Known. Am I good or what ! ! ? ? Eileen

Hi Jacqui, Could the N.JE be N.K. meaning Not Known? It would be quite a stylized K, but I have a few NKs for my ancestors in the censuses, and they are most frustrating. Chris

Wow! I've never used this tips board before. You're all fantastic! Yes, this is 'my' Peter Pole. I haven't managed to find his marriage details. Thanks so much for bothering to look him up and thanks for your help. Looks like you're right and it is NK after all.

This is probably his marriage: 1853 Q4 St Luke's 1b 859 - Pole, Peter thought there is one in Barnstable the same Q, but that's miles away!! Merry

Thanks Merry, that's brilliant - how did you find that?

Sorry, just returned from the beach (frozen stiff!) I looked first on FreeBMD from 1851 (when he was single on the census) through to 1854 when the older dau was born. Nothing.......so went to: Main Page on FreeBMD and then Information, then Statistics, then Coverage Charts, and then Marriages.......... to see which Q's were not properly covered. All of 1853 looked dodgy on the graph, so used the Beta listings on Ancestry to view the name Pole for that year,,,,,,blow me down if there were not two Peter Pole's in the same Q - it's such a rare name (this seems to happen often!).........No way to tell his wife's maiden name as it's not yet transcribed on FreeBMD. You would have to get the cert (which you can order with only one name) Merry

Don´t know if its any help but just found this one in 1841 Middlesex census POLE PETER M 13 - THE FOUNDLING HOSPITAL MARYLEBONE ST PANCRAS MIDDLESEX Census 1841 TNA Ref HO107-0682 Image No 569 Folio No 17\2 Page No 1 Entry No 8 Location details County MIDDLESEX Superintendent Registrar's District ST PANCRAS Registrar's District GRAYS INN LANE Enumeration District No Parish ST PANCRAS City MARYLEBONE Township Place THE FOUNDLING HOSPITAL Household Number 2648 At the age of 13 he was still in the Foundling Hospital - no idea what this was but am sure someone can point you in the right direction I see it is the same place as he was christened in 1828 Have just googled Foundling Hospital - London's first home for abandoned children

Thanks Merry. You have taught me something new! I'll be able to get the certificate now which is a real breakthrough. And thank-you Elaine for that info from 1841 - also really useful. I nearly didn't bother to post on this message board...so glad I did now!