Genealogy Chat

Please could someone look for Mary Ann Elizabeth Pannell in Alverstoke Hampshire. She was born on 19/3/1843 so would be about 18. She had several siblings but the next youngest may still be at home - Isabella Harriet born 20/9/1840, about 21. Their surname is Pannell, but their mother's surname I think is now Alderslade (first name Elizabeth born 26/8/1826 Alverstoke) as I believe their father died and she remarried both in 1847 (she didn't hang around!). I initially thought that she was really unlucky as her new husband wasn't on the 1851 census with her (she was the 'head'), but I've only found two Thomas Alderslade's dying, one in 1839 and another in 1867, so he was somewhere else in 1851? I'm hoping the 1861 will show still back with the family maybe?

This is her I think as a servant in 1861 Martha Emily Marshall abt 1829 Crunley, Surrey, England Companion Mary Ann Pannel abt 1843 Bentley, Hampshire, England Servant Jemima Swan abt 1786 Wiston, Sussex, England Head Living in Dorking

Well almost, but I'm pretty sure she was born in Alverstoke, which is in Gosport in Hampshire - quite some way from Bentley. I've just dug out the road map which shows Bentley as nearish to Petersfield area, I know there is another group of Pannell's from that part of Hampshire, but neither myself nor the lady who is descended from them can link the two sites yet. Thanks anyway :-)

Hi Heidi Is this her mistranscribed May Ann Pannel Ahe: 18 Birth year: abt 1843 Relationship: daughter-in-law Gender: female Where born: Gosport Civil parish: Alverstoke Ecclesiastical parish: Forton St John County: Hampshire Country: England Source info: RG9/646 Reg District; Alverstoke Sub- Reg District: Alverstoke Enumeration District: 6 Folio: 22 Page: 38 Household schedule: 237 GSU Number: 542677 Elizabeth Alderslade 1808 wife Gosport Alverstoke Hampshire Thomas Alderslade 1806 Head Gosport Alverstoke Hampshire May Ann Pannel 1843 Daughter-in-law Gosport Alverstoke Hampshire William Pannel 1836 Son-in-law Gosport Alverstoke Hampshire Cathy

There is also this one, clearly MAY on the image though? WDYT?? Elizabeth Alderslade abt 1808 Gosport Wife Alverstoke Thomas Alderslade abt 1806 Gosport Head Alverstoke May Ann Pannel abt 1843 Gosport Daughter-in-law Alverstoke William Pannel abt 1836 Gosport Son-in-law Alverstoke Civil parish: Alverstoke Ecclesiastical parish: Forton St John County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: 7 ??Jaclean?? Street? Occupation: May is a Mangle Wo. Thomas is a Seaman and William a butcher Source information: RG9/646 Registration district: Alverstoke Sub-registration district: Alverstoke ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Folio: 22 Page: 38 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 237 GSU Number: 542677

Cathy & Margaret & Nicky Yes! William is her older brother, but I didn't expect to find him still at home. It's curious that her and William are listed as 'in-laws' when Elizabeth is their mother - is that normal? Did they not have the 'step-son' convention back then? The date of birth for Thomas also fits with the death I've found in 1867, listing his rough date of birth as 1805. Brilliant, thanks everyone for your help. Heidi

I think they may mean step children? I've put all their occupations on my entry above updated.

1851: Elizabeth Ardersiade abt 1808 Alverstoke, Hampshire, England Head Alverstoke Benjamin Panneil abt 1839 Gosport, Hampshire, England Son Alverstoke George Panneil abt 1838 Gosport, Hampshire, England Son Alverstoke Isabella Panneil abt 1841 Gosport, Hampshire, England Daughter Alverstoke Mary Ann Panneil abt 1843 Gosport, Hampshire, England Alverstoke Source information: HO107/1660 Registration district: Alverstoke Sub-registration district: Alverstoke ED, institution, or vessel: 2e Folio: 365 Page: 3 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 11 GSU Number: 193567

Dont forget the relationship describes the relationship to the head - and as stated above - 'In Law' can mean step child. HTH ... Paul

Margaret & Nicky Wonderful, finally relatives who were NOT labourers!!! Wahaay - I've just gone up a step on the class ladder!

LOL! I presume you have already looked for old Thomas in 1851, very elusive! I can't find him. I've found another Thomas born same place 1810, but married to a Mary. Perhaps he was at sea or badly mistranscribed? No surnames that look remotely right! Margaret

Elizabeth is down as Seaman's wife in 1851, I've checked image and Thomas is definitely not on there.

And now I've found Elizabeth deceasing in Qtr 2 1882. That all ties up that little mystery. Thanks all for your help everyone, much appreciated!