Genealogy Chat

Had to get the London A-Z out this time and guess what?! Clerkenwell Road goes past the Society Of Genealogists (!!!) and down Old St to St Lukes (!!!!!!!!!). Just North of this by less than a mile is Islington - this looks very good to me indeed ! Isn't it lovely when it all starts to slot together like that :-)))

Clerkenwell is close to Islington, I think?

Teresa - I was wondering about that?! :-) But then I thought maybe that was the second Fred/Wil departing - (just remembered it can't have been cos he was still producing even more kiddies ong after that !)

Hi heidi just noticed a fly in the ointment, I haven't got the right death for Frederick, the one I have is too late(well it was late!). I'll have another look.Sorry about that. there is this one? FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 Record about Frederick Wade Name: Frederick Wade Year of Registration: 1858 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Clerkenwell County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1b Page: 305 (click to see others on page)

Blimey you've been busy! And I'd already gone to bed - SORRY !!! It had been a long day as I'd been working. Now, I've got out my a-z which shows that Ricknall (Harriett's birth place) (probably now called Rickinghall Superior) is only 2 miles from Redgrave (1861 census). Also 1861 detail says Harriett born in Bottlesdale, which is halfway between the two places by road. The fact that Frederick/William's father was also called the same fits as they keep using this for the first born son down the generations. It's quite tragic that he died aged only 32 though, very young indeed. And then for Harriett to have to go off and be a servant and leave her son with her grandparents...that must have been a tough life. Is there any chance you could do me one last favour please? Where was the William/Frederick who married Harriett in 1852 in the 1851 census? Was he still living with his grandparents? And what did he do for a living? I'm wondering how far back the 'showman' goes? Thanks very much for all your help, especially considering I had so little info to start with! Heidi

this is from 1861, Harriett is a widow, so Mr wade must have died 1861 England Census Record Name: Harriet Wade Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relation: Servant Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Bottlesdale, Suffolk, England Civil parish: Islington St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: Chapel of Ease County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Source information: RG9/139 Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington East ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Folio: 24 Page: 39 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 196 GSU Number: 542580 Marriage reg for Harriet England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983 Harriet Doe 1852 Oct-Nov-Dec Guiltcross Norfolk Frederick Wade 1852 Oct-Nov-Dec Guiltcross Norfolk Death of Frederick Wade FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 Record Name: Frederick Wade Birth Date: abt 1860 Year of Registration: 1892 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 32 District: Kensington County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1a Page: 204 (click to see others on page) Marriage to John Washbrook(image does say Washbrook) Marriages Mar 1863 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEVALL James William Croydon 2a 214 DEVALL William James Croydon 2a 214 >>>WADE Harriet Croydon 2a 214 >>>WASHBROO_ John Croydon 2a 214 WILSON Hannah Croydon 2a 214 what do you think?

and this is the same family in 1841- who are his grandparents, this could be Harriett 1841 England Census Charles Doe abt 1830 Suffolk, England Redgrave Suffolk Charlotte Doe abt 1801 Redgrave Suffolk Charlotte Doe abt 1823 Suffolk, England Redgrave Suffolk Daniel Doe abt 1801 Suffolk, England Redgrave Suffolk Eliza Doe abt 1839 Suffolk, England Redgrave Suffolk Elizth Doe abt 1837 Suffolk, England Redgrave Suffolk >>>Harriet Doe abt 1834 Suffolk, England Redgrave Suffolk Mary Doe abt 1828 Suffolk, England Redgrave Suffolk Robert Doe abt 1826 Suffolk, England Redgrave Suffolk

Hi there had a look around, see what you make of this. could this be your Frederick/William Wade in 1861? 1861 England Census Ales Doe abt 1848 Redgrave, Suffolk, England Granddaughter Redgrave Suffolk Charlotley Doe abt 1801 High Beech, Essex, England Wife Redgrave Suffolk Daniel Doe abt 1797 Redgrave, Suffolk, England Head Redgrave Suffolk Daniel Doe abt 1845 Redgrave, Suffolk, England Son Redgrave Suffolk >>>Frederick Wade abt 1854 Stepney Gorwe, Middlesex, England Grandson Redgrave Suffolk if so..........

oooh Teresa - St Lukes is where his future first wife was born. I wonder? But I'm confused by him being a 'son' to a couple with completely different surnames - any ideas?

Hi Paul, Well the date and place is right though. Quite a move from Cornwall to Stepney though? I'd rather go the other way! I've just rechecked the data I have, and he's using William Frederick in 1891 and Frederick William in 1901. Also he's called his eldest son from his first marriage William Frederick and then his eldest from his second marriage Frederick William E. Perhaps one of these two is his father's name ?

1871 England Census View Record W Fredk Wade abt 1855 Stepney, Middlesex, England Son St Luke London View Record Harriet Washbrook abt 1834 Ricknall, Suffolk, England Wife St Luke London View Record John Washbrook abt 1834 St Giles, Middlesex, England Head St Luke London

1861 6 East St Stepney Fanny G Wade abt 1849 London City Daughter Francis R Wade abt 1844 Colstock, Cornwall, Son Cooper Hannah S Wade abt 1818 Colstock, Cornwall, Wife Cooper John R Wade abt 1841 Colstock, Cornwall, Son Cooper William G Wade abt 1815 Colstock, Cornwall, Head Cooper William H Wade abt 1855 Stepney, Son The middle initial is clearly H on this one.

Hiya, no nothing sorry - was going for a hopeful shot in the dark attempt?

Do you have parents or sibling names? Rose

Me again! Please could someone see if they could find William Frederick Wade born around 1853-55 in Stepney district in London, sometimes listed as London district in Middlesex county. Many thanks.