Genealogy Chat

Got certs today 2 deaths. and am more confused than ever. My rellies are doing my brain in. Please could you look at 1881 census. RG11/1352, middx. Brentford, Chiswick.Folio 75, Page 6 Talk amongst yourselves or have some dinner while I type out queries. Thank you, Sylvia with the white, white hair.

Right, on census, Jane Pope is my gran.(almost 100%) sure. Thomas Pope is her father. Mother died1878 aged 22. Her name Jane Pope nee Newsham. I have never found a birth cert for either parent or marriage cert. If Jane is neice of Jane Giles, why is Thomas Not brother inlaw? Hes marked as a lodger. His wife cant be her sister as both called Jane. she cant have been deceased Mr, Giles` sister as wrong surname. Next : I got Thomas` death cert today. He died 1886 age 34 Brentford. Informant brother H.G Pope living Brentford. I can find no trace of H G and Thomas together.as children. should be on 1861 at least. HELP before I go mad. Thank you Sylvia.

Thomas Pope- do you know if he was born brentford?If so what part of london are we talking-not up on all these south east locations. Btw....its probable that HG is one of the older if not oldest brothers,and even if there was 10 years gap-it isnt a surprise to not see them together as the way the censi fall for thomas 1851-thomas not born yet 1861-thomas would be 8,HG could be 18+and away from home by then

I really have no idea where he was born Alter. He seems to have spent all his working life on barges in Brentford. This is in West London, on the River Thames. I have also never discovered where his wife came from. This must be why I never get hot matches at all. No rellies in the world!

1881 - just for reference Charles J. Giles abt 1880 Chiswick, Middlesex, England Son Chiswick Middlesex Elizabeth Giles abt 1870 Chiswick, Middlesex, England Daughter George Giles abt 1866 Chiswick, Middlesex, England Son Herbert John Giles abt 1876 Chiswick, Middlesex, England Son >>Jane Giles abt 1847 St Osyth, Essex, England Head Jane Ellen Giles abt 1872 Chiswick, Middlesex, England Daughter Mary Giles abt 1868 Chiswick, Middlesex, England Daughter Jane Pope abt 1875 Brentford, Middlesex, England Niece Thomas Pope abt 1851 March, Cambridgeshire, England Lodger

Ive tried eliminating the wrong pope families by taking out those that have a thomas after 1886,but all Ive come up with is Charles Catherine Sarah Hannah Thomas family......but there is no sign of another male

Isn't this the marriage? Marriages Dec 1875 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BEALING Jane Fulham 1a 381 MAIDMENT Matthew Fulham 1a 381 NEWSHAM Jane Fulham 1a 381 Pope Thomas Fulham 1a 381 Merry

1861 **George Pape abt 1854 Lappard, Devon, England Son St Osyth Essex James Pope abt 1850 Mellus, Suffolk, England Son >>Jane Pope abt 1848 St Osyth, Essex, England Daughter Mary Pope abt 1829 St Osyth, Essex, England Head (railway labourer's widow) >>Thomas Pope abt 1852 Nk, Cambridgeshire, England Son Looks like they are brother and sister. ** Could this be the informant HG?

1851 - goodness they moved about! James Pope abt 1826 Bachde, Suffolk, England Head Swayfield Lincolnshire James Pope abt 1845 St Osyth, Suffolk, England Son Jane Pope abt 1849 Grgglecomb, Suffolk, England Daughter Mary Pope abt 1830 St Osyth, Suffolk, England Wife Thomas Pope abt 1850 Trisall, Huntingdonshire, England Son Swayfield Lincolnshire

Got him>>>>the only mention of Brentford Ive seen of all the thomas popes Thomas was born in Colchester. in 1871 he is in New Brentford as a mate,amongst watermen etc on the census,hes a lodger.

From what Sylvia has said I think my 1871 one is right.

Oh you lovely people, you are all so clever. I must learn to think outside the box. My Jane Pope was born 4/7/74. So I have been trawling for marriages prior to that! never thought to look later. Now I can get certs and find who their fathers were. Many,many thanks. I hope I can repay one day when I improve at it. Sylvia.

Now then, this is my old neck of the woods. I feel pretty certain that these were houseboats moored in the stretch of river between Kew Bridge and Barnes Railway Bridge. Although within the borough of Brentford and Chiswick it's actually called Strand-on-the Green and is in my opinion the very best place for a summer evening pub-crawl. Along that stretch of the Thames are some of the oldest and most characterful pubs you'll ever find and there are still houseboats moored there now. Oh, how I wish I was back there now. A little piece of heaven in West London.

Hello Paul, missed your message last night as I had to sign off early to watch football. You are right about Strand on the Green. It was where most of them lived. Its very strange how things change. My ancestors were dirt poor living there,grubbing about on barges to make a living. Nowadays,you have to be a millionaire to live in that area. It is still lovely there, I live just up the road in Hammersmith,also on the river. Sylvia.