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Hi

Any help appreciated finding Wilhelmina Marshall b 1869 Newcastle - parents Williams and Helen (step mother was Sarah).

Specifically - i have traces in the 1871 and 1881 and 1891 census returns - but am trying to find evidence of marriage and children. She is reputed to have had boys who were jailed in WW1 as conscientious objectors (so trying to get the story there).

If you have time - and i will owe you - any evidence of a marriage of step sisters Fanny b1885 and/or Florence b1887 (Parents Williams but with Mum called Sarah). They lived together and my remembers them as old Aunts in Cullercoats. Again - i think one of them may have married but not sure

As ever many thanks - I'm still new to this and have posted a few look ups and people have been incredibly helpful.

Chris

Second names are important:

Births Sep 1868 (>99%)
MARSHALL Wilhelmina Helen Newcastle T. 10b 89

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)
Defty Robert Richardson Newcastle T. 10b 212
>>>Heslop John Newcastle T. 10b 212
>>>Marshall Wilhelmina Helen Newcastle T. 10b 212
Morrison Flora Newcastle T. 10b 212

1911
HESLOP, John Head Married M 52 1859 Contractor's Foreman Northumberland VIEW
HESLOP, Wilhelmina Wife Married
11 years F 42 1869 Newcastle VIEW
HESLOP, Thomas Son M 10 1901 School Newcastle VIEW
HESLOP, Elsie Daughter F 9 1902 Newcastle VIEW
HESLOP, Annie Daughter F 7 1904 Newcastle VIEW
HESLOP, Winifred Daughter F 5 1906 Newcastle VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30569 Reference:
RG14PN30569 RG78PN1752 RD558 SD2 ED12 SN147

Registration District:
Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District:
St Andrew Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Jesmond

Address:
53 Wolseley Gardens Newcastle upon Tyne



4 children born and still alive

Very good and very quick

they the kids?

If the right marriage and family in 1911 then her son was just old enough for WW1

Jonsey

I am really really dim - your posting re marriages - is that ref to Richardson not relevant

Christopher you need to meet freebmd

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

that is where the info about Wilhelmina's birth and marriage came from

practise by repeating those searches

when you find the marriage, click on the page number

there is a list of four people as is standard, 2 brides and 2 grooms

matching of brides and grooms by surname only started in 1911

before that, you need the certificate to be sure of who married whom but you can do as Glitter Baby did and test the results by looking for the grooms in the next census to see who their wives were


freebmd is the first place to look for births, marriages and deaths, free and easy to use

for births it will get you full names as mentioned and also correct years of birth ( calculations from census ages are usually inaccurate as you see with Wilhelmina )

Although this doesn't list people, it has interesting info about cons. obj.
http://www.ppu.org.uk/learn/infodocs/cos/st_cos_intro.html

Also it's a good idea to check army records to see if he ever served.

It looks like she didn't have any older boys.
1901 England Census
Name: Wilhelmina Heslop
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Heslop
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle-On-Tyne
Civil parish: Jesmond
Ecclesiastical parish: Jesmond Clayton Memorial
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 102 Doncaster Rd

Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
Piece: 4781
Folio: 84
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
John Heslop 42 - foreman joiner; Stonecroft, Northumberland
Wilhelmina Heslop 32
Thomas Heslop 6 Months

Although she may have had more children.

Births Dec 1911
Heslop John W Marshall Newcastle T. 10b 47
Heslop Nellie Marshall Newcastle T. 10b 47

Just spoken to my Mum - and now thinks there was a younger child who was born 1911-1915 - and thus she now thinks (after all that) was a con obj for ww2.....

and it seems Glitter Baby posted the younger children as you were typing ...

you could have found them at freebmd as well

starting in 1911 ( when brides and grooms started to be linked by surname ) the mother's surname was included in the index, so those births are found by searching for Heslop with mother Marshall

they were twins ... did one not survive perhaps ?

try searching for deaths and marriages for their names

in case you don't have Ancestry

Name: Nellie Heslop
Birth Date: 21 Sep 1911
Date of Registration: Feb 1992
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Inferred County: Tyne and Wear
Volume: 2
Page: 508

not married


edit

a genesreunited member has

Johnwilliam Heslop 1911

in their tree here

yours was the only John W Heslop born 1910-1912 so you may want to contact that person

Thanks

and i have just realised that all this should have been posted on Fuind ancestors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

apologies

any chance you could double check that search for John William Heslop - i am unable to find (me being dim again!!!!)

I am afraid I don't understand

if you mean the search at this website

you go to 'Search Trees'

and search for John Heslop born 1911

you see a result for 'Johnwilliam Heslop' and you can contact the tree owner

yes did it before i went to work - and after i put the above post on

I put a space in between John and William - and when i didn't hey presto

Suspect it is him - which is a massive find - as will connect us with family lost for generations.... the delicate issue will be the my Mum thinks he was he Con Obj - which in itself will be interesting to discover why