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zenawarrior

zenawarrior Report 23 Jan 2011 17:00

hi all i have been looking for the marriage of john smith and mary hall c 1838 have ordered the 3 certificates i found, but its not them.
i'v now found this on the above site. but dont know how to check its them
john smith mary ann hall
12 dec 1836
aston juxta
birmingham warwick england
m01168-4
england-odm
919800 any suggetions welcome thanks zena

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Jonesey

Jonesey Report 23 Jan 2011 18:17

No easy answer I'm afraid, Particularly with such common names. Even if you got to see the actual entry in the parish record it is unlikely to provide any clues as such records do not normally contain any information about parents, witnesses, occupations or even addresses.

On what are you basing the likely date of their marriage?

Does Aston seem a likely parish for them to get married in? The normal but by no means the absolute, is that unless both lived in the same parish, the wedding would take place in the parish where the bride was living. Does that tie in with whatever you already know about the couple?

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ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 23 Jan 2011 18:38

The actual entry in the parish records should have witness names which may give a clue but will probably just state whether they were from that particular parish.

Christine

zenawarrior

zenawarrior Report 23 Jan 2011 18:42

hi jonesey
john was born derbyshire mary fazeley staffordshire
but they live their married lives in birmingham and aston as i have found them on the
51 61 and 71 census
their first son(i think) was born in 1838
as i said before i can only find 3 matches on freebmd and none of them match my pair
zena

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lewis smith mowbray townsend crowther holmes bourne hands

zenawarrior

zenawarrior Report 23 Jan 2011 18:44

thanks christine

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lewis smith mowbray townsend crowther holmes bourne hands

ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 23 Jan 2011 18:57

Posting this for ref.

1851 England Census
about John Smith
Name: John Smith
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Smith
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Melbourne, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Bishop Ryder
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England


Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 162
Household Members:
Name Age
John Smith 36
Mary Smith 34
George Smith 13
Hannah Smith 3
Emma Smith 1

As there's such a big gap in the children's ages it's possible it could be a 2nd marriage.

Christine

zenawarrior

zenawarrior Report 23 Jan 2011 19:22

yes christine i suppose its possible ann of green gables has suggested that too there are more children after those

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ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 23 Jan 2011 19:37

It's very difficult with such common names to try and find them in 1841 which would help.

Christine

zenawarrior

zenawarrior Report 23 Jan 2011 19:40

ok thanks ill try that
regards zena

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jan 2011 00:42

I have to say that I have not usually found witness names on early parish records




sylvia

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ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 24 Jan 2011 06:40

It may depend on the actual church records as I have some that name the witnesses.

One in particular I have just checked is from 1811 in Kirkheaton, Huddersfield and it states "in the presense of" and 2 names given.

Earlier than that don't give witness names though.

Christine

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 24 Jan 2011 08:38

I have witnesses on a 1796 and an 1800 Somerset parish record. They are my nxgreat-grandfather's two marriages. The two witnesses are the same men, one being the Parish Clerk as he witnesses practically everyone and is mentioned in notes on the end cover of the book. The other witness is only ever recorded on my nxgreat-grandfathers marriages.

Ozi

zenawarrior

zenawarrior Report 24 Jan 2011 16:42

thanks everyone for your suggestions
zena

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Janet

Janet Report 25 Jan 2011 15:06

If this is a second marriage and I would say when there is a huge gap in the age of the children that this is a possibility, what about this marriage of John Smith to Mary Hall September qtr 1847 Stafford Ref 17 147 - as Mary Hall came from Fazeley Staffs. This fits in with the two children aged 3 and I in 1851- jle

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lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 25 Jan 2011 20:17

that ref is for this marriage

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1847
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SMITH John KEELING Elizabeth Ranton, All Saints Stafford CE11/1/15

Mary Hall married Francis

Marriages Sep 1847 (>99%)
HALL Mary Stafford 17 147 Scan available - click to view
Keeling Elizabeth Stafford 17 147 Scan available - click to view
Smith John Stafford 17 147 Scan available - click to view
TUCKLE Francis Stafford 17 147 Scan available - click to view

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zenawarrior

zenawarrior Report 26 Jan 2011 14:03

hi all
i sent for that certificate but my money was returned GRO said that yes they were on the same page but not married to each other
i also have one from yorkshire but my john is a shoemaker(cordwainer) the one from yorkshire is a tailor.
thanks for you keeping looking
zena

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lewis smith mowbray townsend crowther holmes bourne hands