Genealogy Chat

I have no census information or certs for any of these people. My father Hugh Macdonald, of Stornoway (born on Kenneth st) was the second youngest of a large family. Some 30 years ago I met most of his siblings. All my information came from them, along with some wonderful family stories.
Their names were John Macdonald, 1876-1945, from Beauly (in Ross and Cromarty county) (nicknamed "Johnnie The Factory") and, Catherine Isabella MacKenzie, 1880-1951. Her family was moved to Stornoway during the Isle of Lewis clearances. Granda moved to Stornoway with his sister Annie and 2 uncles -prior to 1903. Gran and granda lived at 23 Matheson Road, where they had 7 chiildren.
Granda sister, Annie MacDonald married granma's brother William MacKenzie (no dates). Granda and his uncles owned the Royal Hotel, the Crown Hotel, and a lemonade factory which they later turned into The Criterion Bar(still there today).
Granda's parents were Hugh MacDonald of Beauly and Ann Matheson of Dingwall (no dates).
Granma's parents were William MacKenzie and Cristina Macdonald(no dates),
her grandparents were:
paternal-Alex MacKenzie (Bayhead then Stornoway) & Jessie Morrison(no dates)
maternal-Alex MacDonald (Steinish) & Barbara MacKenzie
(Oronsay-i think).
Granma's great grandparents were:
maternal-William MacKenzie & Catherine Campbell.

A possiblity for Catherine Makenzie - You should be able to find birth and marriage certs on Scotlands People website which is a pay to view site

1891

Catherine I MacKenzie
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relationship: Dau (Daughter)
Father's Name: William MacKenzie
Mother's Name: Christina MacKenzie
Gender: Female
Where born: Stornoway, Ross
Registration Number: 88
Registration district: Stornoway
Civil parish: Stornoway
Town: Stornoway
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: 23 Bayhead St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 89
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1891_24
Household Members:
Name Age
William MacKenzie 60 Mason Retired b stornaway
Christina MacKenzie 51 b Park, Ross
John MacKenzie 27
William MacKenzie 14
Catherine I MacKenzie 11

possible for John ???

Also will need Certificate to be sure

Name: John Macdonald
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 29 Nov 1874
Birthplace: STORNOWAY,ROSS AND CROMARTY,SCOTLAND
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Neil Macdonald
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Isabella Murray
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11088-3
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: 6035516
Reference Number:
Collection: Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

1881 Census
Name: Catharine Bell Mackenzie
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: William Mackenzie
Mother's Name: Christy Mackenzie
Gender: Female
Where born: Stornoway G, Rossshire
Registration Number: 88
Registration district: Stornoway
Civil parish: Stornoway
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: 17, Bayhead St
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 75
Line: 15
Roll: cssct1881_23
Household Members: Name Age
William Mackenzie 52
Christy Mackenzie 40
John Mackenzie 17
Duncan Mackenzie 15
Jessie Mackenzie 12
William Mackenzie 4
Catharine Bell Mackenzie 1
Barbara Macdonald 86 >>>Mother in Law
Elizabeth Mackenzie 82 >>>Cousin

1901 Census
Name: Katie B Mackenzie
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Mother's Name: Christina Mackenzie
Gender: Female
Where born: Stornoway, Rossshire
Registration Number: 88
Registration district: Stornoway
Civil parish: Stornoway
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: 23 Bayhead St
Occupation: Bakers Assistant
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 14
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1901_24
Household Members: Name Age
Christina Mackenzie 60
John Mackenzie 37
William Mackenzie 24
Katie B Mackenzie 21

This is the only one I can find but probably not right?
1891 Census
Name: John MacDonald
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Hugh MacDonald
Mother's Name: Ann MacDonald
Gender: Male
Where born: Inverness, Invernessshire
Registration Number: 98
Registration district: Inverness
Civil parish: Inverness
Town: Inverness
County: Inverness
Address: No 26 Queen St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 15
Household schedule number: 263
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1891_28
Household Members: Name Age
Hugh MacDonald 59
Ann MacDonald 52
Ann MacDonald 19
Christina MacDonald 16
John MacDonald 14

And here's your other thread Alison.....

Kind regards,

Cathy

These are all the possible births for your Dad Alison from scotlandspeople....

2 1897 MACDONALD HUGH M STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0087
3 1906 MACDONALD HUGH M STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0147
4 1907 MACDONALD HUGH M STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0136
5 1908 MACDONALD HUGH M STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0150
6 1919 MACDONALD HUGH M STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0069 No Image
9 1936 MACDONALD HUGH MACKENZIE M STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0008 No Image

There are 5 parishes on the Island of Lewis and Harris, namely:
86 Barvas ROC, 87 Lochs ROC, 88 Stornoway ROC, 89 Uig ROC, 111 Harris INV.
FreeCEN has transcribed them all in 1841, but only 86(part) & 88 in 1851.
http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Ancestry has partial transcriptions 1841-1901, but no images. Images cost abt 1 GBP per image thru SP.

There's a map showing Scottish parishes on a county by county basis (but Lewis and Harris is on the Hebrides map, not with the rest of their counties) at:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/

To cut down the cost at SP, it's worth checking the IGI first:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true

One can look up batch #s at:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm

but most Scottish batch #s have the form C11pppn or M11pppn, where ppp is the parish # (left padded with zeros if needed).
For GROS index (1855-1875ish), n=1 or 3. If it's a small parish, then they might not use 3, but if they split it into 2 batches, the usual breakdown is 1=1855-1867, 3=1868-1875. Similarly, if n=2 won't cover everything pre 1855, they'll use n=4,5,6, etc. (This fails for the bigger cities, so after n=9, Aberdeen starts using a spare parish # (actually 3 of them).

It's still worth checking IGI's submitted records, but I prefer to do the extracted ones first. The trouble with submitted records is you've no way of easily evaluating the quality of the research behind the record. These can be poor (and have cost me money checking them out), but on the other hand, one enabled me to find 5 of my g gran's aunts.

Hi thank you so much... dad is 1919. If there is no image how do I get a copy of his birth certificate. I'm familiar with Scotlands People.
I'm so new at all this, so I hope I'll get better

There's a closure of 100/75/50 y on the cheap online B/M/D images. If you need something more recent (like your dad's b.cert). then you can order a certified extract (that's what they call them) thru SP. I don't know if they certify an image of the rego, like the GRO now does - the only recent ones I have were gotten in the pre-SP, pre-imaging days, and are hand-written copies of the regos thru the local Aberdeen rego office.

See http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=554&412

Hi Alison,

If you manage to find your way back to this thread I have sent you 2 PM's (personal messages) but you haven't opened them.... one of them has my email address in it. If you send me an email I can get back to you and possibly help.

Cathy

Hi, I'm very confused as to what all the short forms/acromyns mean. Is there a glossary I could use to check them?

Hi Alison, tell us which ones you are stuck on and I am sure someone will help you out. Cx