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How about getting the marriage cert for James Robert. The witnesses might be a clue

Hello Margaret,
Thank you for your reply.
My family are really dificult to find. Firstly, my great grandfather Francis Gardiner married Mary Johnson in Hull in 1850 and had at least 11 children. Most born in Hull. Francis was born in Knottingly and was previously married to Sarah Dyson who died in Hull in 1848.
ary Johnson was born in Hull the daughter of George Tindall Johnson.
After many years of tracing my family and coming up with 20 children for Francis and Mary I found that there was another Francis and Mary Gardiner living in Knottingly both having children of the same names and both having children in Hull and Knottingly. The Knottingly Francis and Mary were married in 1852 Mary's maiden name was also Johnson but her father was Thomas Johnson and she was born in Knottingly.

Even when I send for birth certs for the children I cannot prove they are my family. I do have the birth cert for my grandfather James Robert born 1867 and his death cert. I have seen all the census for both families and cannot separate them completely.
Thanks for all your help.
Linda

Curious! I wondered if this could be your James Robert going by his second name but his father's name is James. However he is also a keel bargeman.

1881 England Census
about Robert Gardiner
Name: Robert Gardiner
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James (Senr) Gardiner
Mother's Name: Mary C. Gardiner
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: Aire Calder Cos Wharf "Keel"
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Mate Of Keel (Bargeman)

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: South East Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James (Senr) Gardiner 43
Mary C. Gardiner 43
Robert Gardiner 14
Harriette Gardiner 1

I wonder if this is son Joseph, also a boatman, but saying he was born in Hull:

1881 England Census
about Joseph Gardner
Name: Joseph Gardner
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Vessels
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: "Emma & Ada"
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Mate

Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Myton
ED, institution, or vessel: Emma and Ada
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Stephen Markham 36
Joseph Gardner 22

This looks like Francis and his 2 sons:

1881 England Census
about Francis Gardiner
Name: Francis Gardiner
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Keadby, Lincoln, England

Civil parish: South Ferriby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address: Providence River Keel
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Master (Bargeman)

Registration district: Glanford Brigg
Sub-registration district: Barton
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Gardiner 58
Richard Gardiner 16
Wm. Gardiner 13

Both boys were born in Hull, Yorks and were novice bargemen.

Sorry about the delay in replying to you all but unfortunately I have been in hosopital for a week but now back home.
Firstly, I have found the family on the 1871, 1891 and thereafter. Someone mentioned the brother born in USA, this is one thing I have been trying to find out for years. I cannot imagine a brother of my grandad being born in USA but it clearly states this on two census returns.
It still leaves the question of the 1881 census. I think he must have been away on a ship working as I have tried everything to find him.
The funny thing is my grandmother whom he married in 1887 is also missing on the 1881 census. Her name was Jane Ann Elizabeth Robinson born Aldershot Hants 1868. I can find her in the 1871, 1891 and thereafter but again not on the 1881. Strange!!!

Thank you all for your help
I will just have to keep trying.
Linda

Is this it?

Births Jun 1866
Gardiner Robert Hull 9d 197

Rose

Where is his birth registration? Not seeing it on Freebmd.

Rose

Linda,

It really helps if you post details from 1871 and 1891 so we can see his family.

Rose

I notice that father was a sailor and that one of he brothers was born in America. Perhaps the family were out of UK. Have you found any of them?

Jim

Hi Linda,

Is this the correct family in the 1871 census?

Hello Lynne,
Thanks for the info. I have him on this census and the 1891, its the 1881 I cannot find him on.
Thanks again for help.
Linda

for reference

1871 census
Name: James Gardiner
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Frances Gardiner
Mother's Name: Mary Gardiner
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull
Civil parish: St Mary
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 89
Household Members: Name Age
Frances Gardiner 49
Mary Gardiner 38
John W Gardiner 13
Joseph Gardiner 12
Kate Gardiner 4
Francis Gardiner 7
Richard Gardiner 6
James Gardiner 5
William Gardiner 3
Mary A Gardiner 7 Months

Hello everyone,

Can someone do a look up on the 1881 census for my grandad James Robert Gardiner born 1866 in Hull, Yorkshire. He would have been 15 years old. I have looked and cannot find him.
Thanks for help.
Linda