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would a marriage certificate always have the fathers name on ?
michelle x
(of the groom)

I have a marriage cert. from 1848, where there is a line through the names and proffessions of both brides and grooms fathers.........both of them were legitimate births, but in boths cases the fathers were dead, so presume thats why details were not entered on the cert.

so in answer to your question........ no not always, even when father was known.


Nicky

thanks nicky is there anyway of finding this out before you order it.
michelle x

If you veiw the original at registraion/records office in that area you can get that information, or if its a marriage that is already transcribed anywhere online.

If you put up the details we can help you....many London marriages are now available on Ancestry to subscribers.

Who are the couple and where did the marriage take place?

Nicky

thanks nicky
the couple are peter e lawley and caroline sadler and they got married in 1887 wallsall west midlands.
michelle x

Had a look on the IGI and west Midlands bmD but they don`t have the marriage listed.

Do you know who the father is and are simply trying to confirm that this is the correct Peter Lawler?....If so have you found him in 1881 with parents and 1891 onwards with wife and children?....people quite often had parents staying with them as they got older.........if that was the case you may get confirmation of correct father that way on a later census.


Nicky

hi nicky
i know its the right peter because its my husbands gg grandad im wanting to find out who is father was but he is not on the 1871 census and in 1881 he is boarding with another family no sign of any parents and in 1881 he is the only one with that surname. and then in the 1891 census he is with his wife .
michelle x

So this is them in 1891......


LAWLEY, Peter E Head Married M 21 1870 Coal Miner
Darlaston
Staffordshire VIEW
LAWLEY, Caroline Wife Married F 22 1869
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LAWLEY, Norris U Son M 2 1889
Denaby
Yorkshire
Mam VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
2248 Folio:
86 Page:
15

Registration District:
Walsall Sub District:
Bloxwich EnumerationDistrict:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Bloxwich All Saints


Nicky

and him in 1881.......still no father

Edward GIBBONS Head M Male 46 Wednesbury, Stafford, England Coal Miner
Emma GIBBONS Wife M Female 46 Kingswinford, Worcester, England
Edward GIBBONS Son U Male 16 Wednesbury, Stafford, England Coal Miner
Amelia GIBBONS Daur U Female 4 Darlaston, Stafford, England
Peter E. LAWLEY Boarder U Male 10 Darlaston, Stafford, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling Newinvention
Census Place Wednesfield, Stafford, England
Family History Library Film 1341673
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2811 / 96
Page Number 13

Is this his birth registry?..


Births Dec 1869 (>99%)
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Lawley Peter Edwin Walsall 6b 569



Nicky

hi nicky yes thats him x

i agree piglets pal
michelle x

Yes Michelle...I v`e checked him through then cenus up to 1911 and never any family living with him other than wife and many children.

So unless someone has parish records for Walsall, the only way to find out his fathers name is his birth or marriage certificate. I posted the birth cert. details earlier.


Nicky

thanks again nicky x

This is the same family as Peter was with in 1881;

1861 England Census
about Emma Gibbons
Name: Emma Gibbons
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Edward
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingswinford, Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Darlaston
Ecclesiastical parish: Darlaston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Darlaston
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Gibbons 26
Emma Gibbons 26
Sarah Lawley 6


I'm pretty sure the description for Sarah Lawley is daughter of wife, here's their marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1857 (>99%)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>.Gibbons Edward Dudley 6c 210
>>>>>>>>>>>>Lawley Emma Dudley 6c 210
Rowley Wm Dudley 6c 210
Salter Emma Dudley 6c 210



So I would hazard a guess that the Gibbons were Peters aunt and uncle??



Dee x