Genealogy Chat

everyone, if you want to find everyone in household with a different surname, providing the person you know has a relatively unusual name (middle names help), you can use the same technique, but just use surnames starting with A, then B, then C etc, admittedly you have to do this 26 times, but I found that a great aunt of my husband's was with her maternal grandmother in 1911 (they had different surnames)

Helen

Portland Rose and the others that have helped I just want to say thank you for the tip .It is great and FREE
You should put it on as a thread on its own !!!

Thank you again Rachel

Thanks for the pointers on searching the 1911 census.

For the benefit of those who have only just learnt the technique, I've now had a "play" with the method and realise it isn't perfect (but free!).

For example, it won't show other people in the household with a different surname (e.g. mother in law, married daughter), and if there is more than one household with an Enid Mary Welford, the members of all such households will be shown. Therefore if you know one of the members has an unusual name it makes sense to use that in the search.

Maggie

Hiya Ladies

Sorry I didn't get back to you - that was way past my bedtime!!!! As Portland Rose said, in this case you didn't need the place of residence.

If you need any more help with searching the 1911 just send me a message and I'll help you find what you're looking for.

Regards
Ninja

Thanks Rose. That worked

Okay,

On this page:

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

Just put the surname Welford for the "last Name" part of "Personal details "

Then put Enid Mary Welford for "Other members of the household "

You should see Alice, Cecily and Edwin.

In this instance, the name is fairly uncommon so there's no need to list anything like town or registration district where it says "Residential Place".

Rose

I too wondered how to show other names in the same household .

Thanks Portland Rose I will give it a go. I have already spent more than I can afford.

PS Well not sure what I did wrong but followed the advise and all I got was the name I typed in . I used Enid Mary Welford as a trial

HELP

Maggie,

You have to use the "Other members of the household section".

Put in Enid Mary Welford there and then just Welford for the "Personal details". This will return all Welfords that have an Enid Mary Welford.

Rose

Rachel perhaps doesn't know how to search the 1911 census, and I am not an expert. Can NinjaLady please tell us how you pulled up the four family members?

I know how to search for an individual, but now how to find family members without paying.

Maggie

Hi Rachel

There were a lot of Welford's born in Headington but looking at the mothers maiden names after 1911 at a guess I would say there were at least three Welford families having children in the early 1900's.

If this is the correctfamily given earlier you would need to buy the marriage certificate to confirm the father. However, this may be Edwin J Welford in 1881

1881 England Census
about Edwin J. Welford
Name: Edwin J. Welford
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Hugh
Mother's Name: Elizabeth A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Ramsey, Huntingdon, England

Civil Parish: Ramsey
County/Island: Huntingdonshire
Country: England

Street address: High St
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Huntingdon
Sub-registration district: Ramsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Hugh Welford 54
Elizabeth A. Welford 39
Mary E. Welford 14
Francis W. Welford 12
Rosa H. Welford 10
Ernest H. Welford 8
Edwin J. Welford 6
John S. Welford 4
Infant Welford
Susan Kilby 17
Sarah Southwell 37


and 1891

1891 England Census
about Edwin J Welford
Name: Edwin J Welford
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Ramsey, Huntingdonshire, England

Civil Parish: St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
Town: Cambridge
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Cambridge
Sub-registration district: St Giles
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Litton 40
Annie Litton 40
Christopher Grifford 27
Charles King 22
Edwin J Welford 17
Sidney Murtill 15

Actually, if you purchase credits for the 1911 as suggested by Helen, the original page/transcript would give place of birth and will verify (or otherwise) the above information.

If the place of birth is the same then this would be Edwin's birth registration

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Edwin James Welford
Name: Edwin James Welford
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Huntingdon
County: Huntingdonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 267

Thank you ladies for your help it really is very much apprecited ! This looks like it will get us on the right path .

Rachel

These are the people with surname Welford in the same household as Enid Mary Welford on 1911 census (you can find thi for free yourself at www.1911census.co.uk). Sorry, I haven't looked at the transcript or the original as I would have to pay.

WELFORD ALICE NELLIE F 1878 33 Headington Oxfordshire
WELFORD CICELY DORIS F 1904 7 Headington Oxfordshire
WELFORD EDWIN JAMES M 1876 35 Headington Oxfordshire

Helen

1911

HOUSEHOLD WELFORD ALICE NELLIE F 1878 33 Headington Oxfordshire
HOUSEHOLD WELFORD CICELY DORIS F 1904 7 Headington Oxfordshire
HOUSEHOLD WELFORD EDWIN JAMES M 1876 35 Headington Oxfordshire
HOUSEHOLD WELFORD ENID MARY F 1909 2 Headington Oxfordshire

Is this the correct family? No other brothers and sisters that I can see in the same household I'm afraid.

This would be the marriage of the parents.

Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)
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Flood Joan Ellen Bedford 3b 719
.................Messent Alice Nellie Bedford 3b 719
.................Welford Edwin James Bedford 3b 719
White Charles Osborne Bedford 3b 719
White Charles Ouborne Bedford 3b 719


There was a brother born later

Births Dec 1913 (95%)
Welford Edwin A Messent Headington 3a 1972

Would anyone be so kind as to look this up on the 1911 cencus for me . My friend has asked me to look into her tree for her and I have hit a block
Enid Mary Welford 1908 Born in Headington Nr Oxford
From what I understand there are quite a few brothers and sisters about .
My friend has aa inherited illness in the family and is trying to see if there are any connections .
Thank you very much if you can help
Rachel