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Sherbert Rose
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13 Nov 2008 19:40 |
I have just looked at the family and I think that Thomas was her son,(not grandson) as there was a Son - Thomas born, according to my records, in 1841. Her first child was born 1832.
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MargaretM
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13 Nov 2008 19:29 |
So that must be Harriet that Blossom found on the 51 census up at the top of the thread. Unfortunately it's mistranscrbed. Harriet isn't a sister, she's a nurse and she's a widow, age 37.
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Sherbert Rose
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13 Nov 2008 19:28 |
Hi Margaret, it gets better or worse, than that. On the 1871 census it looks like Harriet and Joseph had a daughter Sophia born 1862!!
Sandra
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13 Nov 2008 19:18 |
Did you notice on the 61 census that the Hulleys were grandsons? So Harriet had a 20 year old grandson and a 7 year old son! Just thought it was interesting, imagine the 20 year old calling the 7 year old uncle! Wait a minute, that can't be right, she couldn't have a 20 year old grandson when she was 47. Do you suppose it should say stepson?
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MargaretM
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13 Nov 2008 19:11 |
Great! Sandra. So it was as simple as having the wrong family in 1861. And that's the family I was working on. Glad you're back on track!
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Sherbert Rose
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13 Nov 2008 18:52 |
I think I have found the family in 1861:
Fredrick Taylor Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Son Father's Name: Joseph Mother's Name: Harriott Gender: Male Where born: Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Kimberworth County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Rotherham Sub registration district: Kimberworth ED, institution, or vessel: 14f Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 142 Household Members: Name Age Charles Hully 9 Mo Thomas Hully 20 Fredrick Taylor 7 Harriott Taylor 47 Joseph Taylor 32 However, I still havn't managed to find them in 1851.
This census fits in with the 1871 census, particularly as Hulley was Harriets married name prior to her marriage to Joseph.
Sandra
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MargaretM
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13 Nov 2008 18:30 |
2 Josephs born Barlow Yk married to Harriet born Thorp Yk? Both with son Thomas born Malton Yk and daughter Harriet born Clown, Derby? Highly unlikely! I would suggest that you start again at 1901 with the ancestor that you know definitely is yours and work backwards.
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Sherbert Rose
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13 Nov 2008 18:19 |
Hi, I wonder if the 1861 census is wrong, and there are two families with similar children and parents.
Sandra
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MargaretM
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13 Nov 2008 18:10 |
Joseph born Eccles Barlow YK in 1851, Berlow YK in 1861. Harriet: Thorp YK in 1851, Thorpe Hesley in 1861. Thomas: Malton YK in 1851, Melton 1861. Harriet: Clown, Derby in 1851, Clown in 1861
I'm sure it's the same family.
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MargaretM
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13 Nov 2008 18:01 |
1851 census.
Name: Thomas Taylor Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Son Father's Name: Joseph Mother's Name: Harriett Gender: Male Where born: Malton, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bolsover County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Chesterfield Sub registration district: Bolsover ED, institution, or vessel: 3a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 44 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Price 16 Charles Taylor 1 Harriett Taylor 34 Harriett Taylor 5 Isabella Taylor 3 Mo Joseph Taylor 36 Thomas Taylor 10 William Taylor 3 Mo
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2148; Folio: 47; Page: 13; GSU roll: 87781.
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Sherbert Rose
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13 Nov 2008 16:54 |
Hi Margaret,
Which census return is this? could you post it?
Thanks, Sandra
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MargaretM
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13 Nov 2008 16:22 |
Something's wrong, Sandra. The family that you posted for 1861 are already a family in 1851, Joseph & Harriet with children Thomas, Harriet, Charles and William.
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Sherbert Rose
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13 Nov 2008 15:55 |
Hi,
Yes, I believe so.
Sandra
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13 Nov 2008 15:53 |
Presumably this is Harriet on her own in 1851:
1851 England Census about Harriet Hulley Name: Harriet Hulley Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814 Relation: Sister Gender: Female Where born: Efield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Ecclesfield Town: Ecclesfield County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
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Disability: View Image Registration district: Wortley Sub registration district: Ecclesfield ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 24 Household Members: Name Age Wm Brown 18 Harriet Hulley 37 Harriet Kay 19 Benjn Macher Unwin 3 Frank Unwin 1 James Unwin 1wk Joseph Unwin 35 Susanna Unwin 26 Esther Wood 25 View Original Record
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Sherbert Rose
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13 Nov 2008 15:25 |
Hi,
My Great Great Grandmother married twice. She married her first husband William Hulley in 1831(Rotherham) William died in 1848. She married her second husband Joseph Taylor in 1852 (Rotherham). I think I have managed to find all the census returns to from 1841 to her death in 1897.
The problem I have is there are children on the 1861 census Mary Ann Taylor born 1852 and Hannah Taylor born 1856. I am assuming that they are her children with Joseph. However, as I wasn't sure about the youngest I tried to establish who Josephs first wife was - I am struggling to find this wife, therefore I cannot find when she died. Also, on the 1871 census there is a Frederick Taylor born 1854. He wasn't on the 1861 census. There are other older children on the 1861 census, but I cannot find the family on the 1851 census.
There is something not quite adding up but I am not sure why.
I will copy the census returns for reference.
1861
Name: Mary Ann Taylor Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Joseph Mother's Name: Harriet Gender: Female Where born: Stailey, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Ecclesfield Ecclesiastical parish: Thorpe Hesley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Wortley Sub registration district: Ecclesfield ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 104 Household Members: Name Age Charles Crabtree 18 Ann Fell 21 George Hill 22 John Henry Lee 11 Samuel Marsden 14 Hannah Taylor 5 Harriet Taylor 43 Harriet Taylor 17 Joseph Taylor 47 Mary Ann Taylor 9 Thomas Taylor 21 1871
Harriett Taylor Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Kimberworth Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Town: Kimberworth County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Rotherham Sub registration district: Kimberworth ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 112 Household Members: Name Age James Coging 22 Charles Hilley 10 Frederick Taylor 17 Harriett Taylor 57 Sophia Taylor 9 If someone could help me find Josephs first wife or the family on the 1851 census this may help clarify the situation.
Thanks, Sandra
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