Genealogy Chat

Sorry made a mistake I am tired William is Moses Uncle not father.

I read this thread the other day and checked before I wrote anything but William Welling is the father of Moses Welling and William can be found in 18 Wilford Road Croydon with Moses and his wife on the 1891 census..
I am related to this group of families so contact me and I may be able to give you further info.
You are right they are Gypsies or travelling Hawkers.
Moses b c 1841 married mazally (Other spellings known) Cooper daughter of Robert Cooper and Sylvia Williams.
Robert Cooper was descended from the infamous "Norwood Coopers" of Gypsy Hill South Norwood.
Welling has been stated as Wellin, Wellings and ages different from census to census.

Sorry to be a pain - but if anyone can try and put a place to where Mary says she was born I would be so grateful. They were a family of Hawkers and I believe moved around a lot before the 1860 census

Thanks
Chris

Hi K
I found the William Wellen entry a couple of days ago and he looks a possible.
But it is very difficult as the family are never together?

Oh keep thinking Heather!
There is a Romney Marsh
Chris

Oh gawd, this rings a bell somehow, Im sure there was a strange little area of south east london called something marsh. (ignore me, just thinking allowe)

As in 1861 Stephen's mother is listed as born in 1829 and Mary Ann was born about 1840 I see your problem.

Is this William in 1881?

Name: William Wellen
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Male
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address: "Workhouse & Infirmary" Queens Road
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Formally Tinman

Registration district: Croydon
Sub registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: Workhouse and Infirmary

Her husband is on Daniels death cert as brother in law?
I haven't manage to find a birth for her. But Daniel was born Tower Hill, and brother Stephen, b1860 Greenwich workhouse, sister Martha b1853 Deptford.
Father William - Mother Eliza Field as per Stephens birth cert.

So on her marriage cert it gives William Welling, Tinman?

Thats a big gap if next door is a bro (by the way it looks like Watling doesnt it on just his entry). Its just I cant find her birth ref - have you? I wondered when I first saw it whether she had been married previously and Dan was her son but if you have her marriage cert..................may be her father married twice.

It does look a reasonable asumption with Daniel's children living as nieces and nephews with John and Mary Ann in 1901

Yes we believe it is her brother and family. Not totally sure of relationship as she is about 20 years older. But both Daniel and Mary had a father named William who was a Tinman so 98% sure. 2% niggle.

Is it something..in Marsh?

Is that her family next door? Where were they born?

Suzanne

No idea, Chris. I did try Googling it, but nothing came up.

Is Penndey in Muir a place?
Thanks
Chris

Looks like Penndey in Muir to me.

Hi
I am looking at a census 1891 for Deptford, Greenwich. RG12/500
The name is Mary Ann Parrow or Perrow (nee Welling) 2 Bowman Cottages, Tanners Hill.
On the 1881 she says born Romsey, Hampshire
On the 1901 she says born Southampton, Hampshire
I have not been able to find her on any prior census.
Can anyone read where she says she is born on the 1891?
Her husband John has been consistant all 3 census returns as born in Canterbury. She married John in 1877
Thanks
Chris