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Hi Rachel,

The area is right, the age is right, but Mary Ellens` grandparents were called Mawdsley on her mothers side.

Mary Snr. was just Mary, no middle name.

kathlyn

Nudge

Did Mary (John's wife) have a middle name?

Could this be Mary their daughter?

Name: Mary Roberts
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Kirkby, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Kirkby
Ecclesiastical parish: Walton St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Lyon 45
Elizabeth Pye 19
Henry Pye 16
James Pye 30
John Pye 28
Martha Pye 23
Mary Pye 59
Mary Pye 21
William Pye 32
Mary Roberts 2

I have looked at the image - she is living at an address in School Road, kirkdale.

Hi Athena,

This one looks very promising, many thanks to you and Rachel, and Alison, you are all stars.

Kathlyn

I think this might be your John Roberts on the 1871 Census - occupation is CARTER!

Name: John Roberts
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 55
Household schedule number: 103
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Irwin 9 months
James Irwin 32
Mary A Irwin 23
John Roberts 25


Regards, Athena

Hi Rachel,

They were the Roberts family, John`s occupation was "carter".

Kathlyn,

Have you looked at my entry for the 1871 census which shows John, Mary and Mary Ellen Carter?

Please let me know if I have found the right family.

Regards

Rachel

Mary was born in 1851, I do have this cert.

My granddad, John Roberts, jnr. was not born until 1874 and Mary Ellen was born in 1869.

Kathlyn

If someone could look at the original of this to see if the child is Mary E rather than Mary J, only Ancestry images is playing me up. I have reported it.

1871 England Census
about John Roberts
Name: John Roberts
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 468
Household Members: Name Age
John Roberts 31
Mary Roberts 31
Mary J Roberts 4
Robert Roberts 2 months


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Could this be them in 1871?

Name: Mary Carter
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 77
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Burk 85
Jane Carter 2 months
John Carter 24 occupation paper hanger
Mary Carter 25
Mary Ellen Carter 2
Bridget Clampett 45
Mary Ann Clampett 14
Robert Clampett 12

Regards

Rachel

What was John's occupation on earlier/later census records?

Hi Athena,

I found Mary in the 1881 census with John, my grandfather, and his brother William.

I think I have also found Mary Ellen as a servant in Kirkby.

No sign of John though, so he may have been away on the night of the census. He died in 1884, and I do have this cert which states him to be 40 years of age.

Living as a lodger/boarder is George Massie, and in 1894 George and Mary married.

kathlyn

Just one point - the fact that John is stated as being "of full age" on the marriage cert would mean any age over 21yrs - so he could well have been a much older man than his wife.

Have you found them on later census records to confirm his age?

I have been looking for a family in the 1871 census, and because they have such a common name surname and even their Christian names are so very common, I have not been lucky so far.

He is JOHN ROBERTS born abt. 1845, (he is recorded as being of full age on his marriage cert of 1868) his wife is MARY , born in 1851. Mary was born in Kirkby, lancashire.

They would have had one daughter in the 1871 census called, MARY ELLEN

Living in the Bootle/Liverpool area.

JOHN is recorded as a Carter on the marriage cert. of 1868.

Any thoughts/suggestions/help will be very much appreciated.

kathlyn