Genealogy Chat

While searching for my great grandparents I found that all the family was missing from 1891 census. I knew that they had married in 1891 so I ordered their marriage cert to find out their addresses.
I found my great grandmother I think at the address on the cert but under a different surname. Her father was deceased on marriage cert so I think she was transcribed under her stepfathers name.
Her father is named as James Middleton on her marriage cert which I had suspected as my grandfather was named after him. So back to the census' I went to search again. Still no sign of him.
Today I recieved her birth cert. Mothers name Mary Ann (Scott) & father James Middleton.
I can find no marriage for them.
I searched the address she was born at in 1872 & there in 1871 census is a Thomas Middleton 30 & Mary Ann Middleton 20.
Any ideas what to do to get furtherback?

Is this them in 1871:
Thomas Middleton
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Cleckheaton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Westgate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 98
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Middleton 20
Thomas Middleton 30

Yep thats them Potty.

I just don't understand the Thomas/James bit. I can't find a marriage for a Mary Ann Scott to any Middleton. I've found her family in 1861 in the same street but I don't know what to do about searching for him.

Do you have Mary Ann and James in 1881? Is James's birthplace and YOB the same as the Thomas in 1874?

I can't find a marriage either.

This is where it gets even more interesting Potty.
When I found their Daughter Alice in 1891 at the address she married from she was under the name Hodgson & her marriage cert for 1891 said that James was dead. I found death in Newcastle for a James Middleton in 1876 age 35, which now also fits with Thomas' age in 1871.
I haven't been able to find Mary Ann & Alice in 1881.
In 1891 they are living in South Shields there are more children
Mary A born 1880 Newcastle &
Jane born 1886 South Shields.&
Elizabeth born 1887 South Shields.

Any ideas anyone?

Was James a middle name that he as known by more than Thomas?

I'm thinking it must be something like that but I can't find any marriage for James/Thomas & Mary Ann anywhere.

This is from BVRI but it's the only one I can find:

MIDDLETON, Alice Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 22 Dec 1872 Recorded in: Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Collection: St Paul
Father: James MIDDLETON
Mother: Mary Ann
Source: FHL Film 1068650 Dates: 1872 - 1905

Is this the family in 1881:
Mary A. Hodgson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle On Tyne

Civil Parish: Byker
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address: 109 Harvey Street
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: Byker
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Hodgson 8
George Hodgson 34
Mary A. Hodgson 30
Mary A. Hodgson 2
Thomas Hodgson

Looks like she married George Hodgson as Mary Ann Middleton:
Marriages Dec 1878 (>99%)

BROWN William Newcastle T. 10b 29
CHARLTON Margaret Ann Newcastle T. 10b 29
HODGSON George Newcastle T. 10b 29
Middleton Mary Ann Newcastle T. 10b 29

Thats them in 1881 Potty. Thanks for that. I was struggling to find it & thank you for the marriage to George Hodgson.

Margaret
Thanks for the baptism.
I had seen it on IGI but it didn't say which church it was so thank you.

Clutching straws here, ....
I wonder if Thomas was abbreviated to Thos( written with top of letter pointing to the left, with down stroke curled left too). and James to Jms. and somewhere along the way the script writing merged the 2 names in records.

A friend and I are chasing her lost relative, interestingly also in that area, and we too think that Thomas and James records are probably for the same person.

Gwyn

Hi Gwyn

Its got to have been something like that that's happened somewhere along the line with the 1871 census. The image defnitely says Thomas. But Alice's fathers name was definitely James.
Her birth cert says James, her marriage cert says James. Her baptism says James. & she named her son, my grandfather James Middleton Lovely.
I just wish I could find a marriage for him & Mary Ann so I could trace his line further back.