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Thank you ArgyllGran. That is reassuring :-)

That's what I would assume.

A similar thing happened in my family.

My grandmother, with her mother and brother, moved from England to Scotland about 1902.
Her brother's 1926 death cert said that their father was deceased.
(His brother-in-law - my grandfather - was the informant.)
I spent a long time looking in vain for their father's death between c1902 and 1926.

It was only when the 1939 Register became available that I found him alive and well.
He didn't actually die until 1943.

He and his wife had separated when my great-uncle was about 10.
Apparently my grandfather (the informant) had never heard him mentioned, and had assumed he had died.

or not?? :-S

I am guessing as her mother died in 1899 when she was ten and her father remarried in 1901 she perhaps never saw him again. She doesn't appear with him again on censuses so advised he was deceased. I guess that is what you thought also?? :-D

Glad you picked up on that…………. ;-) ;-)

He was alive and well on 1921 census, as per my post

The only thing I have just noticed is that according to Elizabeth Ellen's marriage (my first post) certificate in 1913 her father Thomas Heap was deceased.
We have him as dying in 1931??

Thank you so much Erika. :-D :-D

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Abbey Hey Road, Droylsden, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
James Heap Head - Male 42 1829 Cotton winder L Droylsden, Lancashire, England
Sarah Heap Wife - Female 37 1834 Hat body maker Gorton, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth E Heap Daughter - Female 17 1854 - Openshaw, Lancashire, England
James Heap Son - Male 12 1859 Hat trimmer Openshaw, Lancashire, England
Thomas K Heap Son - Male 10 1861 Assistant in iron works Tydsley, Lancashire, England
Ann Heap Daughter - Female 8 1863 Assistant in iron works Tydsley, Lancashire, England
Mary Jane Heap Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Tydsley, Lancashire, England
Sarah Heap Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Droylsden, Lancashire, England
Samuel Heap Son - Male 0 1871 - Droylsden, Lancashire, England

Name Doris Heap...........Address: 997 Ashton Old Road
Gender Female
Marriage Age 23
Event Type Marriage
Birth Year abt 1902
Marriage Date 22 Aug 1925
Marriage Place Abbey Hey, St George the Martyr, Lancashire, England
Father Thomas Knight Heap.................Occ: Moulder
Spouse Arthur Brierley


1921 Census Of England & Wales
997, Ashton Old Road, Openshaw, South Manchester, Lancashire, England

Thomas Knight Heap Head Male 1860 60 Tyldesley, Lancashire, England None Unemployed Sir W Armstong Whitwortth Engineers Openswh, Manchester
Annie Heap Wife Female 1864 56 Patricroft, Lancashire, England Home Duties -
Thomas Heap Son Male 1896 24 Fairfield, Lancashire, England Boiler Maker Great Central Railway Comapny
Doris Heap Daughter Female 1902 19 Openshaw, Lancashire, England Weaver John Lees & Son Coloured Print Manufatures
Nellie Heap Daughter Female 1906 15 Openshaw, Lancashire, England Weaver John Lees & Son Coloured Print Manufatures
Annie Heap Daughter Female 1908 13 Openshaw, Lancashire, England -


Deaths Sep 1931 (>99%)
Heap Thomas K 70 Manchester S. 8d 133

Name Thomas Knight Heap
Death Date Sep 1931
Cemetery Gorton Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Manchester, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester, England
Plot: BNon Conformist 693

ALSO

Joseph Heap
Birth
unknown
Death
Dec 1916
Burial
Gorton Cemetery
Manchester, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester, England
Plot: BNon Conformist 693

Deaths Dec 1916 (>99%)
Heap Joseph 23 Chorlton 8c 860

Nellie is the most common diminutive of Ellen

STILL HAS NELLIE AS MIDDLE NAME


Thomas Robert
Child's first name(s) May Magdalen
Last name Waybourne
Child's birth date 10 Apr 1914
Birth year 1894
Next of kin first name(s) Elizabeth Nellie,May Magdalen
Birth date ? ? 1894
Next of kin last name Waybourne,Heap
Occupation Baker confectioner
Country Great Britain
Service number 17090
Archive The National Archives
Attestation age 22
Series title Air Ministry: Air Member For Personnel And Predecessors: Airmen's Records
Attestation year 1916
Series AIR 79
Attestation date 04 Jan 1916
Archive reference AIR 79/192
Marriage year 1913
Record set British Royal Air Force, Airmen's Service Records 1912-1939
Marriage date 18 Nov 1913
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth Nellie ################
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Spouse's last name Heap

But has middle initial E on her death record

Food for thought thank you :-)

VERY long shot:

Eliza Heap
in the 1901 England Census
Name Eliza Heap
Age 10
Estimated Birth Year abt 1891
Relation to Head Inmate
Gender Female
Birth Place Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Portsmouth
Ecclesiastical parish St Bartholomew
Town Portsmouth
County/Island Hampshire
Country England
Registration district Portsmouth
Sub-registration district Portsmouth and Mid Southsea
ED, institution, or vessel Nazareth House for Aged Poor and Orphaned Children
Neighbors
Piece 1008
Folio 35
Page number 5
Household schedule number 1

Address: Lawrence Road, Southsea.


Interestingly, this link says that the home's intake was limited to girls from Hampshire, Berkshire and the Channel Islands.
https://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/SouthseaNH/

Eliza, whoever she is, must therefore have been living in that area prior to admission to the home.


I know Elizabeth wasn't an orphan - but her mother had died, and maybe her father couldn't cope with all the children.

Also, she married in Hampshire.
But, as I said - a VERY long shot.

Fantastic Everyone, Thank you :-D

OR
1891
Name Elizabeth E Heap
Gender Female
Age 1
Relationship Daughter
Birth Year 1890
Father
Thomas Heap
Mother
Mary Heap
Birth Place Manchester
Civil parish Openshaw
Residence Place Openshaw, Lancashire, England
Registration district Chorlton
Sub registration district Ardwick
ED, Institution or Vessel 91
Neighbors
Piece 3180
Folio 104
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Thomas Heap
30 Head
Mary Heap
33 Wife
Sarah Heap
5 Daughter
Elizabeth E Heap 1 Daughter

Heap

Benjamin

1880
England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Chorlton, Lancashire, England

MAIDEN NAME WELSH

Heap

Elizabeth Ellen

1889

—

1889

England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Chorlton, Lancashire, England

Heap

Sarah

1885

—

1885

England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Chorlton, Lancashire, England


MAIDEN NAME WELSH


1881
Name Thomas Heap
Age 20
Estimated Birth Year abt 1861
Relationship to Head Son
Father James Heap
Mother Sarah Heap
Gender Male
Where born Tyldesley, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Droylsden
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address Abbey Hey Lane
Occupation Iron Moulder Unemployed ######
Registration district Ashton Under Lyne
ED, institution, or vessel 13
Neighbors
Piece 4043
Folio 51
Page number 50
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
James Heap

52

Head
Sarah Heap

46

Wife
James Heap

22

Son
Thomas Heap 20 Son
Annie Heap

18

Daughter
Mary J. Heap

15

Daughter
Sarah Heap

13

Daughter
Samuel Heap

10

Son
George W. Heap

8

Son

Can't see the birth of James - but there's this child:

HEAP, JOSEPH mmn WALSH
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 775

Looks as if he's with his uncle (and future step-mother ??) in 1901:


Joseph Heap
in the 1901 England Census
Name Joseph Heap
Age 8
Estimated Birth Year abt 1893
Relation to Head Nephew
Gender Male
Birth Place Fairfield, Lancashire, England
Civil parish South Manchester
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Ecclesiastical parish Openshaw St Barnabas and St Luke
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Chorlton
Sub-registration district Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel 044
Neighbors
Piece 3680
Folio 33
Page number 6
Household schedule number 29
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
George W Heap 28 Head
Joseph Heap 8 Nephew
Albert Cotton 21 Boarder
Annie Martin 36 Servant


Earlier censuses show that George W Heap was a brother of Thomas K - parents James and Sarah.


I wonder if James and Joseph are one and the same, and listed twice in 1901 ??

Looks like Thomas Knight Heap is Elizabeth Ellen's father then?

Here it is:

Tom Heap

in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name Tom Heap
Registration Date 1896 [1896]
Quarter of the Year Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Place Chorlton, Lancashire, England
Volume 8c
Page 824

Possible birth of son Thomas ???

HEAP, TOM mmn WELCH
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 824