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Hello
I am wondering if someone would be kind enough to help me find any records for Elizabeth Ellen Heap and parents Thomas Heap and Mary Welch/Welsh. I have been looking on Ancestry with any success for quite some time.

I have purchased Elizabeth's birth certificate which reveals she was born on the 20th May 1889 in Openshaw, Lancs. Her father was Thomas Heap an Iron Moulder and her mother Mary Heap formerly Welsh. Address 8 Neville Street, Openshaw.

I have found the family on the 1891 census however can find nothing else for Elizabeth or her parents before her marriage on the 18th November 1913 to Thomas Robert Waybourn (also later spelt Waybourne) in Farnborough, Hartley Wintney. Her name on this is Elizabeth Nellie Heap aged 24 and her father is Thomas Heap a Brass Moulder (deceased). Elizabeth Ellen Waybourne died in 1958 in Surrey.

Thank you for reading this and hope you can help.
Thank you
Graham

For INFO..........parents' ages etc

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
10, St Ann Street, Openshaw, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

Thomas Heap Head Married Male 30 1861 Moulder England
Mary Heap Wife Married Female 33 1858 Cotton winder Ireland
Sarah Heap Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Manchester
Elizabeth E Heap Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Manchester

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104 Clarence St Broughton Salford, Broughton, Lancashire, England
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Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Aaron Mitchell Head
Married Male 30 1881 Supper retired Accrington Lancs
Clara Mitchell Wife
Married Female 33 1878 - Lanc Blacburn Lancs
Allan Mitchell Son
Single Male 6 1905 - Lanc Ansdell Lancs
Elizabeth Heap Servant
Single Female 21 1890 Assisting in business Lanc Openshaw

On the 1913 marriage certificate Elizabeth's occupation was a Tobacconist's Assistant

DOB not quite correct

Elizabeth Helena Heap in 1889
England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Fairfield, Higher Openshaw, St Anne, Lancashire, England
Transcript of Elizabeth Helena's record
First name(s) Elizabeth Helena
Parish Fairfield, Higher Openshaw, St Anne
Last name Heap
Diocese Salford
Birth year 1889
County Lancashire
Birth date 10 May 1889
Country England
Baptism year 1889
Register type Baptisms
Baptism date 30 May 1889
Register year range 1856-1908
Father's first name(s) Thomae
Record set England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Father's last name Heap
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s) Mariae
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Mother's last name Walsh
Collections from England, Great Britain

Do you think this might be the family in 1901? Occupation for Thomas is good. There is a daughter Sarah of the right age born in Openshaw.
Thomas is a widower and seeing him on the 1911 census has a son Thomas of the right age.

Thomas K Heap
in the 1901 England Census
Name Thomas K Heap
Age 40
Estimated Birth Year abt 1861
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place Tyesley, Lancashire, England
Civil parish South Manchester
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Ecclesiastical parish Higher Openshaw St Clement
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Chorlton
Sub-registration district Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel 052
Neighbors
Piece 3681
Folio 85
Page number 33
Household schedule number 210
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Thomas K Heap 40 Head
Sarah Heap 15 Daughter
James Heap 9 Son
Thomas Heap 4 Son

Thomas Knight Heap

in the 1911 England Census

Name Thomas Knight Heap
Age in 1911 50
Estimated Birth Year abt 1861
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place Syelsley, Lancashire, England
Civil parish South Manchester
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 567 Ashton Old Road
Marital Status Married
Occupation Laborer Roads Sweeping Moulder At Preart
Registration District Number 464
Sub-registration district Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel 34
Piece 23735
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Thomas Knight Heap 50 Head
Ann Heap 46 Wife
Thomas Heap 14 Son
Doris Heap 9 Daughter
Nellie Heap 5 Daughter
Annie Heap 3 Daughter

Baptism of the son Thomas from 1901 census??

Thomas Heap
in the Lancashire, England, Catholic Registers of Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1762-1913
Name Thomas Heap
Gender Male
Baptism Age 0
Record Type Baptism
Birth Date 8 Oct 1896
Baptism Date 31 Oct 1896
Baptism Church Sanctae Annae
Baptism Place Fairfield, Lancashire, England
Diocese Salford
Father Thomae Heap
Mother Mariae Heap


However, I don't see birth records for either of the sons, Thomas or James, so can't say definitely if that's the right family or not.

The father in 1911 with a new wife:

Thomas Knight Heap
in the 1911 England Census
Name Thomas Knight Heap
Age in 1911 50
Estimated Birth Year abt 1861
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place Syelsley, Lancashire, England
Civil parish South Manchester
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 567 Ashton Old Road
Marital Status Married
Occupation Laborer Roads Sweeping Moulder At Preart
Registration District Number 464
Sub-registration district Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel 34
Piece 23735
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Thomas Knight Heap 50 Head
Ann Heap 46 Wife
Thomas Heap 14 Son
Doris Heap 9 Daughter
Nellie Heap 5 Daughter
Annie Heap 3 Daughter


Marriages Jun 1901 (>99%)
HEAP Thomas Knight Chorlton 8c 1512
MARTIN Ann Chorlton 8c 1512


Possible death of first wife ???

Deaths Sep 1899 (>99%)
Heap Mary 40 Chorlton 8c 569

I think I saw it registered as Tom rather than Thomas

Possible birth of son Thomas ???

HEAP, TOM mmn WELCH
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 824

Here it is:

Tom Heap

in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name Tom Heap
Registration Date 1896 [1896]
Quarter of the Year Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Place Chorlton, Lancashire, England
Volume 8c
Page 824

Looks like Thomas Knight Heap is Elizabeth Ellen's father then?

Can't see the birth of James - but there's this child:

HEAP, JOSEPH mmn WALSH
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 775

Looks as if he's with his uncle (and future step-mother ??) in 1901:


Joseph Heap
in the 1901 England Census
Name Joseph Heap
Age 8
Estimated Birth Year abt 1893
Relation to Head Nephew
Gender Male
Birth Place Fairfield, Lancashire, England
Civil parish South Manchester
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Ecclesiastical parish Openshaw St Barnabas and St Luke
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Chorlton
Sub-registration district Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel 044
Neighbors
Piece 3680
Folio 33
Page number 6
Household schedule number 29
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
George W Heap 28 Head
Joseph Heap 8 Nephew
Albert Cotton 21 Boarder
Annie Martin 36 Servant


Earlier censuses show that George W Heap was a brother of Thomas K - parents James and Sarah.


I wonder if James and Joseph are one and the same, and listed twice in 1901 ??

OR
1891
Name Elizabeth E Heap
Gender Female
Age 1
Relationship Daughter
Birth Year 1890
Father
Thomas Heap
Mother
Mary Heap
Birth Place Manchester
Civil parish Openshaw
Residence Place Openshaw, Lancashire, England
Registration district Chorlton
Sub registration district Ardwick
ED, Institution or Vessel 91
Neighbors
Piece 3180
Folio 104
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Thomas Heap
30 Head
Mary Heap
33 Wife
Sarah Heap
5 Daughter
Elizabeth E Heap 1 Daughter

Heap

Benjamin

1880
England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Chorlton, Lancashire, England

MAIDEN NAME WELSH

Heap

Elizabeth Ellen

1889

—

1889

England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Chorlton, Lancashire, England

Heap

Sarah

1885

—

1885

England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Chorlton, Lancashire, England


MAIDEN NAME WELSH


1881
Name Thomas Heap
Age 20
Estimated Birth Year abt 1861
Relationship to Head Son
Father James Heap
Mother Sarah Heap
Gender Male
Where born Tyldesley, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Droylsden
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address Abbey Hey Lane
Occupation Iron Moulder Unemployed ######
Registration district Ashton Under Lyne
ED, institution, or vessel 13
Neighbors
Piece 4043
Folio 51
Page number 50
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
James Heap

52

Head
Sarah Heap

46

Wife
James Heap

22

Son
Thomas Heap 20 Son
Annie Heap

18

Daughter
Mary J. Heap

15

Daughter
Sarah Heap

13

Daughter
Samuel Heap

10

Son
George W. Heap

8

Son

Fantastic Everyone, Thank you :-D

VERY long shot:

Eliza Heap
in the 1901 England Census
Name Eliza Heap
Age 10
Estimated Birth Year abt 1891
Relation to Head Inmate
Gender Female
Birth Place Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Portsmouth
Ecclesiastical parish St Bartholomew
Town Portsmouth
County/Island Hampshire
Country England
Registration district Portsmouth
Sub-registration district Portsmouth and Mid Southsea
ED, institution, or vessel Nazareth House for Aged Poor and Orphaned Children
Neighbors
Piece 1008
Folio 35
Page number 5
Household schedule number 1

Address: Lawrence Road, Southsea.


Interestingly, this link says that the home's intake was limited to girls from Hampshire, Berkshire and the Channel Islands.
https://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/SouthseaNH/

Eliza, whoever she is, must therefore have been living in that area prior to admission to the home.


I know Elizabeth wasn't an orphan - but her mother had died, and maybe her father couldn't cope with all the children.

Also, she married in Hampshire.
But, as I said - a VERY long shot.

Food for thought thank you :-)

STILL HAS NELLIE AS MIDDLE NAME


Thomas Robert
Child's first name(s) May Magdalen
Last name Waybourne
Child's birth date 10 Apr 1914
Birth year 1894
Next of kin first name(s) Elizabeth Nellie,May Magdalen
Birth date ? ? 1894
Next of kin last name Waybourne,Heap
Occupation Baker confectioner
Country Great Britain
Service number 17090
Archive The National Archives
Attestation age 22
Series title Air Ministry: Air Member For Personnel And Predecessors: Airmen's Records
Attestation year 1916
Series AIR 79
Attestation date 04 Jan 1916
Archive reference AIR 79/192
Marriage year 1913
Record set British Royal Air Force, Airmen's Service Records 1912-1939
Marriage date 18 Nov 1913
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth Nellie ################
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Spouse's last name Heap

But has middle initial E on her death record

Nellie is the most common diminutive of Ellen

Name Doris Heap...........Address: 997 Ashton Old Road
Gender Female
Marriage Age 23
Event Type Marriage
Birth Year abt 1902
Marriage Date 22 Aug 1925
Marriage Place Abbey Hey, St George the Martyr, Lancashire, England
Father Thomas Knight Heap.................Occ: Moulder
Spouse Arthur Brierley


1921 Census Of England & Wales
997, Ashton Old Road, Openshaw, South Manchester, Lancashire, England

Thomas Knight Heap Head Male 1860 60 Tyldesley, Lancashire, England None Unemployed Sir W Armstong Whitwortth Engineers Openswh, Manchester
Annie Heap Wife Female 1864 56 Patricroft, Lancashire, England Home Duties -
Thomas Heap Son Male 1896 24 Fairfield, Lancashire, England Boiler Maker Great Central Railway Comapny
Doris Heap Daughter Female 1902 19 Openshaw, Lancashire, England Weaver John Lees & Son Coloured Print Manufatures
Nellie Heap Daughter Female 1906 15 Openshaw, Lancashire, England Weaver John Lees & Son Coloured Print Manufatures
Annie Heap Daughter Female 1908 13 Openshaw, Lancashire, England -


Deaths Sep 1931 (>99%)
Heap Thomas K 70 Manchester S. 8d 133

Name Thomas Knight Heap
Death Date Sep 1931
Cemetery Gorton Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Manchester, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester, England
Plot: BNon Conformist 693

ALSO

Joseph Heap
Birth
unknown
Death
Dec 1916
Burial
Gorton Cemetery
Manchester, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester, England
Plot: BNon Conformist 693

Deaths Dec 1916 (>99%)
Heap Joseph 23 Chorlton 8c 860