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30 May 2016 03:07 |
From the GRO index: Fitzhugh Chorlton RD Births 1901-1911 1904q4 Fitzhugh Herbert Chorlton 8c 922 1905q1 Fitzhugh Marian Elizabeth Chorlton 8c 905 1905q3 Fitz Hugh Hilda Chorlton 8c 865 1907q4 FITZHUGH Alice Chorlton 8c 856 1908q4 Fitzhugh Marian Chorlton 8c 681 1908q4 Fitzhugh Robert Chorlton 8c 839 1909q2 FITZHUGH Edna Chorlton 8c 893 1911q1 Fitzhugh Hannah M Chorlton 8c 810
Fitzhugh Chorlton RD Deaths 1901-1911 1907q4 Fitzhugh Alice 0 Chorlton 8c 549 1909q3 FITZHUGH Edna 0 Chorlton 8c 451 1909q3 FITZHUGH Hilda 2 Chorlton 8c 455
It's reasonable to match these deaths up with the births. From the one quarter gap in the first two births, we conclude there's more than one Fitzhugh family above.
If I click on the "Chorlton" link in a FreeBMD hit, then the mote info "here" link, I get to see all the subdistricts that ever were in Chorlton, viz: Sub-districts : Ardwick, Barton, Chorlton upon Medlock, Didsbury, Gorton, Hulme, Openshaw, Rusholme, Stretford. However, if I do an advanced search at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ for Chorlton within refs RG13 (1901) or RG14 (1911), or both, then I find the only subdistricts in operation for these censuses were: Didsbury, Ardwick, Chorlton upon Medlock, Hulme
Here's the local index lookup of these births from LancsBMD: http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference 1904 FITZHUGH Herbert Hulme Archives+, Manchester Central Library HUL/365/52 1907 FITZHUGH Alice Hulme Archives+, Manchester Central Library HUL/380/46 1908 FITZHUGH Robert Hulme Archives+, Manchester Central Library HUL/385/77 ----------------------- 1908 FITZHUGH Miriam Ardwick Archives+, Manchester Central Library ARD/410/20 ----------------------- 1905 FITZHUGH Marian E Chorlton-on-Medlock Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO/203/82 1907 FITZHUGH Hilda Chorlton-on-Medlock Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO/210/56 1909 FITZHUGH Edna Chorlton-on-Medlock Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO/215/1 1911 FITZHUGH Hannah M Chorlton-on-Medlock Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO/219/17
I've sorted them by subdistrict into the 3 families I guess they're from
I can only find one of these families in 1911: This is in piece rg14/23920, a Hulme subdistrict piece #: First name(s) Last name Birth year Birth place Registration district Parish County Herbert Fitzhugh 1881 Lancs Manchester Chorlton South Manchester Lancashire Maud Fitzhugh 1882 Lancs Ashton U Lyne Chorlton South Manchester Lancashire Herbert Fitzhugh 1905 Lancs Manchester Chorlton South Manchester Lancashire Robert Spiby 1852 Lancs Croston Chorlton South Manchester Lancashire
and even then, I'm missing Robt - I guess these are the parents:
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1904 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference FITZHUGH Herbert SPIBY Maud Greenheys, St. Clement Archives+, Manchester Central Library 60/2/355
As for our mob, they're either missing from the census, or Fitzhugh is recorded or transcribed in a way I can't guess.
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29 May 2016 10:46 |
are yes they have got the dates wrong on the transcript
Marian is 10.12.1904 occ unpaid domestic
Mary Alton is 22.4.1913 occ hotel waitress
Thomas McHugh 27.2.1881
Thomas junir birth is correct as 22.2.1922
a right mix up :-(
possible birth for Mary
Name: Mary Alton Mother's Maiden Name: Creevy Registration Year: 1913 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Chorlton Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 1707 :-D
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29 May 2016 09:17 |
Look like the Arthur in there was Frederick's father?
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 31 Phillips Street Hulme Manchester, South Manchester, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place Arthur Alton Head Married Male Machine Driller 32 1879 Manchester England Transcription Marion Alton Wife Married Female House Wife 31 1880 Queenstown Ireland Transcription James Alton Son - Male - 7 1904 Manchester England Transcription Fred Alton Son - Male - 6 1905 Manchester England Transcription Francis Alton Son - Male - 2 1909 Manchester England Transcription Art Hur Alton Son - Male - 0 1911 Manchester England
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29 May 2016 09:03 |
Again, other persons in that grave from: http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/GenSearch.aspx
Burial Date Deceased Cemetery Grave Number Grave Details
07/02/1929 Arthur Alton Southern Cemetery HRoman Catholic 974 07/11/1931 Edna Alton Southern Cemetery HRoman Catholic 974 02/03/1939 Marion Alton Southern Cemetery HRoman Catholic 974 30/12/1974 Frederick Alton Southern Cemetery HRoman Catholic 974
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29 May 2016 08:32 |
Not sure if already noticed, but checking that 1939 image, Birth as 10th Dec. 1904 for Marian, Frederick, 18th Aug. 1904...
Births Sep 1904 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------- ALTON Frederick Chorlton 8c 964
(anybody else want check image)
Chris :)
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1904
HUGH Thomas F HODGSON Margaret H Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1922
FITZHUGH Thomas C Chorlton-on-Medlock Manchester HODSON CHO/243/58
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php
(also in Southern Cemetery, baby Edna Alton 1931, Frederick 1974)
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi
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29 May 2016 06:26 |
3 people in that grave:
Cemetery Section Grave Position Deceased Southern Cemetery SConsecrated 4529 1 Margaret Hannah Fitzhugh Southern Cemetery SConsecrated 4529 2 Thomas Fitzhugh Southern Cemetery SConsecrated 4529 3 Hannah May Dean
23/06/1939 Margaret Hannah Fitzhugh Southern Cemetery SConsecrated 4529 View details 07/06/1947 Thomas Fitzhugh Southern Cemetery SConsecrated 4529 View details 13/11/1973 Hannah May Dean Southern Cemetery SConsecrated 4529 View details
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28 May 2016 20:44 |
margaret hannah fitzhugh
http://goo.gl/9yZIYk
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28 May 2016 20:39 |
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1905
FITZHUGH Marian E Chorlton-on-Medlock Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO/203/82
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1928 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FITZHUGH Marion Elizabeth ALTON Frederick Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester
(1931 Birth looks to relate)
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php
Chris :)
edits
Deaths Dec 1931 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------- Alton Edna 0 Manchester S. 8d 240
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=alton&yearOfDeath=1975&page=1#calendar
(Frederick, Death 1974)
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28 May 2016 20:07 |
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 33 Whittaker St C on M Manchester, South Manchester, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place Thomas Hughes Head Married Male Engineer's Iron Miller 30 1881 Lancs Salford Transcription Hannah Hughes Wife Married Female - 32 1879 Lancs Salford Transcription Maria Hughes Daughter - Female - 6 1905 Lancs Manchester Transcription Hannah May Hughes Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Lancs Manchester Transcription Jane Baker Boarder Widow Female - 56 1855 Lancs Salford
married 7 years 4 children born 2 living 2 died
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28 May 2016 18:29 |
this one maybe with a twin sister
Births Jun 1880 HODGSON Margaret Hannah Auckland 10a 178 HODGSON Mary Elizabeth Auckland 10a 178
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28 May 2016 18:25 |
birth years all over the place
Births Mar 1877 HODSON Margaret Hannah Salford 8d 141
edit wrong spelling !!
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28 May 2016 18:20 |
her mum ?
First name(s) MARGARET H Last name FITZHUGH Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1879 Age 60 Death quarter 2 Death year 1939 District MANCHESTER County Lancashire Volume 8D Page 287 Country England Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain
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28 May 2016 18:20 |
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Name: Maria Elizabeth Fitzhugh Event Type: Christening Event Date: 30 Dec 1904 Event Place: St Philip, Hulme, Lancashire, England Residence Place: Gender: Age: Marital Status: Birth Date: Birth Year: Birth Year (Estimated): Christening Date: Marriage Date: Marriage Year: Burial Date: Father's Name: Thomas Fitzhugh Mother's Name: Hannah Fitzhugh Spouse's Name: Spouse's Residence Place: Spouse's Gender: Spouse's Age: Spouse's Marital Status: Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name: GS Film Number: 2357300 Digital Folder Number: 004497804 Image Number: 00370
Citing this Record: "England, Manchester, Parish Registers, 1603-1910," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMBK-LJD : accessed 28 May 2016), Maria Elizabeth Fitzhugh, 30 Dec 1904, Christening; citing St Philip, Hulme, Lancashire, England, Archives Central Library, Manchester; FHL microfilm 2,357,300.
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28 May 2016 18:15 |
Thomas Fitzhugh on the 1939 Register
1939 Register Transcription
Alton Household (5 People) 10 Henrietta Street , Stretford M.B., Lancashire, England Attach to tree View original image Print First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number Thomas Fitzhugh 22 Feb 1922 Male Driver Fitter Revolving Sheet Heavy Works Single 218 4 Frederick Alton 10 Dec 1904 Male Unpaid Domestic Married 218 1 Marian E Alton 22 Apr 1913 Female Hotel Waitress Married 218 2 Mary Alton 27 Feb 1881 Female Universal Grinder Heavy Works Single 218 3 Thomas C Fitzhugh 26 Aug 1886 Male Charhouseman Packer Single 218 5
Ref: RG101/4881G/016/30 Letter Code: NXDY© Findmypast Ltd Open a closed record Request a living person's record Close an open record Report an error marion birth is 10 12 1904
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28 May 2016 18:13 |
our post crossed
but that marian has a birth year of 1913 not 1904/5
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28 May 2016 18:11 |
no wrong lady with the same name
Alton Household (5 People) 10 Henrietta Street , Stretford M.B., Lancashire, England Start free family tree View original imagePrint FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Marian E Alton 22 Apr 1913 Female Hotel Waitress Married 218 2 Frederick Alton 10 Dec 1904 Male Unpaid Domestic Married 218 1 Mary Alton 27 Feb 1881 Female Universal Grinder Heavy Works Single 218 3 Thomas Fitzhugh 22 Feb 1922 Male Driver Fitter Revolving Sheet Heavy Works Single 218 4 Thomas C Fitzhugh 26 Aug 1886 Male Charhouseman Packer Single 218 5
but seem to be the one you found but she has a different birth year
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28 May 2016 18:08 |
Yes she did marry Frederick Alton and in 1939 Thomas and Thomas C Fitzhugh were living with them.
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28 May 2016 18:06 |
could she have married before 1939?
Name: Marion E Fitzhugh Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1928 Registration district: South Manchester Inferred County: Lancashire Spouse: Frederick Alton Volume Number: 8d Page Number: 590
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28 May 2016 17:58 |
only her birth at the moment
First name(s) MARIAN ELIZABETH Last name FITZHUGH Birth year 1905 Birth quarter 1 Registration month - Mother's last name - District CHORLTON County Lancashire Country England Volume 8C Page 905
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28 May 2016 17:57 |
I did think that but when I looked at birth records there was also a Mary Elizabeth. Thanks though.
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