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Member Since: March 2011 Posts: 15 Send Message	Christine	Report	15 May 2016 12:23
Member Since: March 2011 Posts: 15 Send Message	Thank you for the additional information. I think we can now move on to another branch of the family.
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 7,623 Send Message	mgnv	Report	3 May 2016 06:39
	1861 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M76B-BCP Event Place Swannington, Norfolk, England Registration District St Faiths Registration Number RG09 Piece/Folio 1208 / 54 Page Number 7 John Otway Head M 56 Cawston, Norfolk Hannah Otway Wife F 54 Cawston, Norfolk William Otway Son M 19 ..., Norfolk Elizabeth A Otway Daughter F 15 Heydon, Norfolk Martha A Otway Daughter F 13 Swannington, Norfolk 1851 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKVC-2RXB Event Place Swanington, Norfolk, England Registration District St Faiths Registration Number HO107 Piece/Folio 1811 / 74 Page Number 14 John Otway Head M 43 Cawston, Norfolk Hannah Otway Wife F 40 Cawston, Norfolk Sarah Ann Otway Daughter F 16 Hackford, Norfolk Robt John Otway Son M 10 Holt, Norfolk William John Otway Son M 8 Holt, Norfolk Elizabeth Ann Otway Daughter F 5 Heydon, Norfolk Martha Ann Otway Daughter F 3 Swanington, Norfolk 1841 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M79T-Q11 Event Place Holt, Norfolk, England Residence Note Withers St Registration District Erpingham Parish Holt Registration Number HO107 Piece 776 Book Number 31 Folio 44 Page Number 20 John Otway M 35-39 Norfolk Hannah Otway F 30-34 Norfolk Susan Otway F 7 Norfolk Sarah Otway F 6 Norfolk Robert Otway M 10 months Norfolk Sarah Edmunds F 12 Norfolk This looks like the first Martha Ann: Births Dec 1845 (>99%) Ottway Martha Ann Aylsham 13 9 Deaths Jun 1846 (>99%) Ottway Martha Ann Aylsham 13 9 Burials image: http://tinyurl.com/h6wuoa6 For OS coords: Cawston TG133238 http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4469618 Heydon TG114274 http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1963279 Holt TG081387 http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2261792 Swannington TG134193 http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2309086
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 17,958 Send Message	Chris Ho :)	Report	3 May 2016 06:35
	(as suggested above, you need Birth Certs. to get Maiden Name of Mother) Chris :) Births Sep 1840 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------ Otway Robert John Erpingham 13 82
Member Since: March 2011 Posts: 15 Send Message	Christine	Report	2 May 2016 21:47
Member Since: March 2011 Posts: 15 Send Message	Thank you to all who answered my query. The marriage of John Ottway of Hoe to Elizabeth Howlett of Horstead may not fit with the Horning censuses of 1871 and 1881. Maybe we need to look for another marriage of a John Ottway to an Elizabeth. We will keep searching.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 17,958 Send Message	Chris Ho :)	Report	2 May 2016 20:14
	(probably not, but adding below!) Chris :) Norfolk marriages Transcription First name(s) James Last name Otway Residence Swanington Marriage year 1823 Marriage date 16 Jun 1823 Parish Swannington Diocese Norwich Spouse's first name(s) Ann Spouse's last name Simbers (Timbers on FreeReg) Spouse's parish Swanington County Norfolk 1841 (Find My Past) John Otway Male 35 1806 Norfolk, England Hannah Otway Female 30 1811 Norfolk, England Susan Otway Female 7 1834 Norfolk, England Sarah Otway Female 6 1835 Norfolk, England Robert Otway Male 0 1841 Norfolk, England Sarah Edmunds Female 12 1829 Norfolk, England Street Withers Street Parish or township Holt County Norfolk Registration district Erpingham Archive reference HO107 Piece number 776 Book number 31 Folio number 44 Page number 20 Baptism County Norfolk Place Hackford (Eynesford) Church name All Saints Register type Parish Register Register entry number 390 Baptism date 28 Jul 1833 Person forename Susan Person sex F Person abode Hackford Father forename John Father surname OTWAY Father occupation Blacksmith Mother forename Hannah
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	2 May 2016 19:04
	John Ottway in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 Name: John Ottway Probate Date: 3 Mar 1888 Registry: Norwich Death Date: 8 Feb 1888 Death Place: Norfolk, England Late of Horning in the County of Norfolk....Shopkeeper Proved by...Elizabeth Ottway of Horning Widow the relict the sole Executrix. Personal Estate: £220
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	2 May 2016 18:43
	Looking back at the Baptism's of Martha Ann and James John...... Also on the same page is Caroline Ann They were triplets......... Caroline Ann Otway in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name: Caroline Ann Otway Registration Year: 1847 Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: St Faith's Inferred County: Norfolk Volume: 13 Page: 101 Caroline died the following month too.......and buried the same day as brother James John........ Name: Caroline Ann Otway Gender: Female Birth Date: 1847 Death Age: 0 Burial Date: 28 Sep 1847 Burial Place: Swanington, Norfolk, England Father: John Otway Mother: Hannah
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 17,958 Send Message	Chris Ho :)	Report	2 May 2016 18:25
	Baptism County Norfolk Place Swannington Church name St Margaret Register type Parish Register Register entry number 394 Baptism date 17 Aug 1847 Birth date Person forename James John Person sex M Person abode Otp Father forename John Father surname OTWAY Father occupation Blacksmith Mother forename Hannah Mother surname Notes 3 Born At A Birth; See 392 And 393; Died Baptism County Norfolk Place Swannington Church name St Margaret Register type Parish Register Register entry number 392 Baptism date 17 Aug 1847 Birth date Person forename Caroline Ann Person sex F Person abode Otp Father forename John Father surname OTWAY Father occupation Blacksmith Mother forename Hannah Mother surname Notes 3 Born At A Birth See 393 And 394 Baptism County Norfolk Place Swannington Church name St Margaret Register type Parish Register Register entry number 393 Baptism date 17 Aug 1847 Birth date Person forename Martha Ann Person sex F Person abode Otp Father forename John Father surname OTWAY Father occupation Blacksmith Mother forename Hannah Mother surname Notes 3 Born At A Birth; See 392 And 394; Brought To Church June 11th 1848 Chris :) edits http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blacksmiths/norfolk-1.htm#O (a Robert and Thomas on above index, perhaps relating to John)
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 29,988 Send Message	+++DetEcTive+++	Report	2 May 2016 18:07
	If John and Hannah married before their first known child was born in 1833, there won't be a gro reference for it as civil registration didn't begin until 1837. Not all parish records are on line. After 1837, a number of couples married in a Register Office. Images of those events have to purchased rather than viewed on line. Marriages Dec 1866 (>99%) Churchyard William Norwich 4b 395 HOWLETT Elizabeth Norwich 4b 395 xxxxx OTTWAY John Norwich 4b 395 xxxxx SPENCER Louisa M Norwich 4b 395 Order from https://www.gro.gov.uk/ using the references above. Possibly his burial? Name John Ottway Event Type Burial Event Date 12 Feb 1888 Event Place Norfolk, England (Horning) Gender Male Age 84 Birth Year (Estimated) 1804 Image available via this link https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27ZJ-DPX England, Norfolk Bishop's Transcripts, 1685-1941 on Familysearch is not showing a marriage for him 1820-1840 to a Hannah, nor an 1866 marriage to Elizabeth
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	2 May 2016 17:59
	A copy of daughter Martha's birth certificate would give you Hannah's maiden name..... Martha Ann Otway in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name: Martha Ann Otway Registration Year: 1847 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: St Faith's Inferred County: Norfolk Volume: 13 Page: 101 Martha Ann Otway in the Norfolk, England, Bishop's Transcripts, 1685-1941 Name: Martha Ann Otway Gender: Female Baptism Date: 17 Aug 1847 Baptism Place: Swanington, Norfolk, England Father: John Otway (Blacksmith) Mother: Hannah On the same page, a twin brother James John James John Otway in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name: James John Otway Registration Year: 1847 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: St Faith's Inferred County: Norfolk Volume: 13 Page: 101 Sadly, the twin brother died the following month..... James John Otway in the Norfolk, England, Bishop's Transcripts, 1685-1941 Name: James John Otway Gender: Male Birth Date: 1847 Death Age: 0 Burial Date: 28 Sep 1847 Burial Place: Swanington, Norfolk, England Father: John Otway Mother: Hannah
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: September 2015 Posts: 5,278 Send Message	AustinQ	Report	2 May 2016 17:54
	Norfolk News - Saturday 13 October 1866 OTWAY- HOWLETT On the 9th Inst. Mr John Otway of Hoe, to Elizabeth, third daughter of the late Mr James Howlett of Horstead
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 17,958 Send Message	Chris Ho :)	Report	2 May 2016 17:29
	Baptism County Norfolk Place Cawston Church name St Agnes Register type Parish Register Register entry number 5 Baptism date 18 Mar 1804 Person forename John Person sex M Father forename Robert Father surname OTWAY Mother forename Sarah Notes The father was Robert Otway Junior. Burial County Norfolk Place Cawston Church name St Agnes Register type Parish Register Register entry number 1021 Burial date 25 Feb 1863 Person age 55 Burial person forename Hannah Burial person surname OTTWAY Burial person abode Swannington Notes Theodore H Marsh, Rector of this Parish (reference, from below link) http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Chris :)
Member Since: March 2011 Posts: 15 Send Message	Christine	Report	2 May 2016 17:01
Member Since: March 2011 Posts: 15 Send Message	We have censuses for John with his wife Hannah, but cannot find a marriage for him (1st child born 1833). Hannah died in 1863 in Cawston. Then we think he is the same John as in 1871 and 1881 censuses in Horning with wife Elizabeth. There is mar reg in Norwich John Ottway to Elizabeth Howlett in 1866, but can't find actual marriages. Any info on either marriage would be really helpful.

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John Ottway christened 1804 Cawston, Norfolk